tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post4439355691555148592..comments2024-03-28T00:08:11.164-04:00Comments on The Stuyvesant Town Report: A Sign That Real Estate Literally, Psychologically, Politically and Socially Owns NYC - The Despicable Rob Speyer Hosts Mayor De Blasio Birthday PartyStuy Town Reporterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-61889129667294589412014-05-14T10:40:25.327-04:002014-05-14T10:40:25.327-04:0010:25 PM
You're right, my mistake, you didn&#...10:25 PM<br /><br />You're right, my mistake, you didn't say the settlement was illegal.<br /><br />Your last paragraph mischaracterized what I wrote. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-81302117911232017862014-05-12T23:38:31.601-04:002014-05-12T23:38:31.601-04:00STR
The law firm repping tenants only got got pai...STR<br /><br />The law firm repping tenants only got got paid if Schmidt won the Roberts' lawsuit. He did so they got a percentage of the settlement.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-17037612065796760242014-05-12T22:25:30.099-04:002014-05-12T22:25:30.099-04:007:11: Yes, I've read Bagli's book. And n...7:11: Yes, I've read Bagli's book. And no, I never posited that the settlement was illegal. <br /><br />I have a great deal of personal experience as a tenant advocate volunteering on behalf of affected residents in J-51 and 421-A buildings where property owners were in non-compliance of rent regulations. Although I am not a legal scholar, I have spent many long hours with the top tax and legal teams in this area. My colleagues and I did expect that the Roberts case would be won. Bagli obviously spoke to other advocates who felt otherwise.<br /><br />It should surprise no one that some in the real estate industry believed that they would never be held accountable for defying regulations. History and the industry's well-documented influence with our elected officials may have made this group feel that they were immune to the law. However, a thorough reading of J-51 regulations reveals no loophole when it come to the J-51's rent regulations. Most J-51 and 431-A property owner recipients comply with these regulations because their legal teams advise them of this. <br /><br />I'm sorry that you feel my expectations that our elected officials truly stand with citizens against businesses that defy laws and regulations can be characterized as demagoguery. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-44048076611991783372014-05-12T21:02:43.557-04:002014-05-12T21:02:43.557-04:00You're right. I had no dog in the fight financ...You're right. I had no dog in the fight financially. But who exactly did "pay" for the lawyers' time? Whose "hard earned money" was it?Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-81414664512525640792014-05-12T19:58:19.127-04:002014-05-12T19:58:19.127-04:00STR
• What pressure? And who exactly do you think...STR<br /><br />• What pressure? And who exactly do you think was gonna apply it? As far as I know, only the original (9?) Roberts' litigants were privy to what Schmidt was thinking and doing in the case.<br /><br />• Who the hell are we to tell Roberts' members what they should have done after the crappy settlement came down? Who they hell are we are we to say "so be it," and insist that individual members should have spent years of their lives and a lot of their hard earned money battling financial titans in court? <br /><br />• No one is cheering the fact that RS apts in PCVST are going for $4,000, $5,000+ a month except for CW Cap, thanks to the settlement and lax rent regs. The only good thing that came out of the settlement was that it finally cleared the way for a sale. And that's about all. It's been made perfectly clear that the TA/Brookfield's not in the running, if they ever were.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-72576691457100211502014-05-12T19:11:56.086-04:002014-05-12T19:11:56.086-04:00I saw STR's posts, 4:01.
Of course Alex Schm...I saw STR's posts, 4:01. <br /><br />Of course Alex Schmidt tried to paint it as a huge win. As for Garodnick, his statements on the settlements don't read like "praise" to me. They read more like a politician trying to carefully say WTF happened? He was a class member like anyone else and had absolutely nothing to do with the settlement. Although he did try to explain it in plain English. <br /><br />Read the Bagli book. It is not at all true that our side "expected" a win. I quote: "Privately many tenant advocates and lawyers had been pessimistic about the (Roberts) lawsuit's chances of success." And there's this also: "Tishman Speyer, and practically the entire real estate industry had expected the appellate division to dismiss the (Roberts') case, upholding a lower court decision in favor of the landlord." <br /><br />Schmidt was confident that the law was clearly written to favor our interpretation of the statute but what apparently made his case was a recovered transcript of the J-51 statute's debate in the state senate. During the debate, the GOP sponsor of the bill clearly stated in the transcript that at "no point" could decontrol provisions be applied to buildings getting J-51 tax exemptions.<br /><br />You're right no one know why they dropped their objection. I personally thought the settlement stunk. I didn't take a poll but it's a safe guess that a lot of members of the Roberts' class thought the same. Why do you think no one else objected to the settlement? Probably for the reasons I gave above. The class action was settled and going to court with objections meant spending your own money and years of your time on a case with an unclear outcome. At that point what other options were there? Please, tell me what else could Garodnick or anyone done? None that I know of. So some class members made out but the vast majority bit the bullet and moved on. Blaming elected officials for the outcome of a courtroom settlement is demagoguery, plain and simple.<br /><br />You can maintain anything you want, but unless you're a judge or a legal scholar I can maintain that your claim that the settlement approved by the judge in the case is illegal is fantasy.<br /><br />You finally made some sense in your last paragraph.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-41009180683345031372014-05-12T16:01:29.068-04:002014-05-12T16:01:29.068-04:00Answering Anon. 3;16-
Please see STR's posts ...Answering Anon. 3;16-<br /><br />Please see STR's posts above for the exact language Dan G. and Alex Schmidt used in reference to the settlement. In my opinion, these statements and others made in the initial push to convince class members to approve the settlement, can be characterized as "praise". <br /><br />NYC's leading tax and tenant/landlord law firms (and many affected tenants) fully expected the court to rule in favor of tenants and taxpayers in this case. The specific language and stated intent of a property owner's rent regulation obligations tied to the J-51 is crystal clear.<br /><br />No one knows why the one family who initially objected to the settlement dropped their objection. <br /><br />I maintain that the lack of transparency, repeated delays and obfuscation regarding disbursements of tenants' stolen monies and minimal penalties assessed against property owner(s) who defied the J-51 regulations have victimized many law abiding citizens. <br /><br />Many citizens today are heartbroken that we can no longer trust our business institutions to obey the law. We can no longer trust our elected representatives to tighten regulations and enforcement to protect citizens from those who break the law. We can no longer trust that our media will monitor and report on corruption and back room dealing. In fact, many citizens are waking up to the fact that in many cases our business, government institutions and media conglomerates are collaboratively working against our interests We must move from heartbreak and victimhood to citizen action to combat the cancer of corruption that is destroying our society. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-78377925795191255162014-05-12T15:42:33.611-04:002014-05-12T15:42:33.611-04:00It seems that in winning a noteworthy, historic pr...It seems that in winning a noteworthy, historic pro-tenant decision in Roberts, the lawyers for the tenants didn't press to make the most of that win. How can one seriously cheer the fact that all apartments in PCVST are now rent-stabilized when tenants are paying $4,000 plus, $5,000 plus, to live in these "rent-stabilized" units? Where else in the city do RS tenants pay so much for an apartment?<br /><br />If such pressure would have taken time and money, so be it. That's what the next fight should have been about. The lawyers just gave up after their own $20 million was secure. And, as I already proved, Garodnick and others had hopes that a settlement would pave the way for tenant ownership of PCVST. They were eager for the Roberts affair to be done with and urged everyone in the class action lawsuit to sign on the dotted line.Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-75825197010520266262014-05-12T15:28:12.351-04:002014-05-12T15:28:12.351-04:00I, at least, am not stating that politicians and o...I, at least, am not stating that politicians and others were glowing about the settlement, but these are the very words of Alex Schmidt, a lawyer for the tenants:<br /><br />"The settlement is eminently fair and reasonable, and a very good result for the tenants.”<br /><br />A statement like this does not fit in with the concept of "grudging acceptance."Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-3073833093518170232014-05-12T15:16:51.300-04:002014-05-12T15:16:51.300-04:00I'm calling bullshit on your first sentence 1:...I'm calling bullshit on your first sentence 1:54 PM. <br /><br />First. Nobody misled anybody. The Roberts' class action was just a Hail Mary pass that nobody really expected the State Court of Appeals to rule in our favor on. So when it did, pols and tenants groups celebrated and rightly so because we won a major battle that many of them had written amicus briefs on our behalf for. <br /><br />Second. What elected representative gave high praise for the Roberts' settlement that clearly wound up raising rents on most of the apartments involved? Please provide a citation for your contention. <br /><br />If anything, I'd call any so-called acceptance by tenants and politicians of the settlement grudging acceptance because the time and money involved in litigating an objection to the settlement would have been daunting. I am guessing that's why the one family out of the thousands in the Roberts' class who filed an objection eventually dropped it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-29559495471742389232014-05-12T13:54:28.295-04:002014-05-12T13:54:28.295-04:00The intentionally opaque and dense legal terminolo...The intentionally opaque and dense legal terminology in the Robert settlement, along with the high praise of same by our elected representatives misled most, if not all, members of the Roberts class. Now that the true and horrid details of this scandal have been revealed, many of us understand that we've been screwed, once again. <br /><br />Almost none of the penalties stipulated in the J-51 regulations were assessed against MetLife and Tishman for their defiance of the rent regulations obligations attending their generous abatements. When lawbreakers are given just a slap on the wrist for their actions, they and their ilk are emboldened to continue their illicit activities, secure in the knowledge that they will never be punished.<br /><br />Corrupt government and business institutions will continue to pick the flesh off the bones of the working and middle classes until we put a stop to their behavior. What means might become necessary to force vultures to operate within the law and with transparency? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-17968345310502656882014-05-12T10:59:49.544-04:002014-05-12T10:59:49.544-04:00Since when do public officials "tell' mem...Since when do public officials "tell' members of a class action what to do? Nobody forced class members to accept the settlement. They had a right to object to the terms of the settlement. One family did object out of the entire bunch, but later dropped their objections. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-56922249498027032782014-05-12T10:44:28.999-04:002014-05-12T10:44:28.999-04:00The settlement was accepted, yes. It is the "...The settlement was accepted, yes. It is the "with open arms" that I disagree with. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-58334154996893012772014-05-12T10:04:01.197-04:002014-05-12T10:04:01.197-04:00>>Dan could easily have told the class actio...>>Dan could easily have told the class action members (and previously, the TA lawyers)<<<br /><br />I meant the Roberts class action lawyers for tenants, as these were not officially the "TA lawyers"....Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-56933137643324513842014-05-12T09:59:02.887-04:002014-05-12T09:59:02.887-04:00Roberts lawyer, Alex Schmidt:
“Class members will...Roberts lawyer, Alex Schmidt:<br /><br />“Class members will realize substantial additional benefits by retaining the full protections of the Rent Stabilization Law for the next eight years, including, most importantly, the rights to automatic lease renewal and succession. The settlement is eminently fair and reasonable, and a very good result for the tenants.”Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-47504976979917809242014-05-12T09:40:13.285-04:002014-05-12T09:40:13.285-04:00Dan's own words about the final settlement. He...Dan's own words about the final settlement. He doesn't seem upset at all and thanks the TA lawyers (who took millions for themselves) for their "persistence, advocacy and hard work":<br /><br />I wanted to share the news that Justice Lowe today signed the final settlement in the Roberts v. Tishman Speyer case. This is a historic moment for the Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village community, and for all rent stabilized residents who were unfairly overcharged by landlords receiving J-51 tax abatements across the City.<br /> <br />This case has always been about protecting the integrity of the rent stabilization system. The victory in Roberts sends a clear message that the rent stabilization law cannot and will not be circumvented. It is fitting that the case originated in Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village, a community ravaged by the excesses of the housing boom that fought back. The impact of this case has been felt far and wide—from the 21,250 members of the class, of which I am one, to residents in all J-51 buildings citywide. It was through the persistence and courage of our neighbors that many tenants around the City have been able to clarify their rights under the law, and for that, I am extremely proud.<br /> <br />The settlement delivers $68.75 million in direct payments to tenants who were overcharged for rent between January 22, 2003 and December 31, 2011 and $105 million in rent savings during the time since the Roberts case was won, when rents were rolled back as part of an "interim agreement." It also re-establishes all of the units in Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village as rent stabilized, and sets their legal rents. (For more detail on the settlement, read my plain language guide to the settlement here.)<br /> <br />It is our hope that the final settlement, to which there were no objectors, will present a new opportunity for CW Capital to now embrace the plan put forth by the Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village Tenants Association to ensure the long term affordability and stability in our neighborhood.<br /> <br />I want to thank the attorneys at Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz and Bernstein Liebhard who worked on this case for their persistence, advocacy and hard work, and the tenants who lent their names to this class action lawsuit for their courage. <br /> <br />I encourage all class members to file their claims by the May 15 deadline. For more information on the claims process, please visit Berdon Claims' website at www.berdonclaims.com or call 800-766-3330.<br /> <br />Best, <br />Dan Garodnick Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-83428016157653544602014-05-12T09:31:31.162-04:002014-05-12T09:31:31.162-04:00>>A distinction with out a difference? Bulls...>>A distinction with out a difference? Bullshit.<<<br /><br />You're missing my point. Yes, there is a difference between the decision and the settlement. Clearly. But a settlement HAD to follow the decision. And the push was for all members of the class action lawsuit to agree to the settlement. Garodnick himself agreed to the settlement and considered it an important step in tenant ownership of the property. In effect, Dan and others (we can include the TA here) did not rebel against the settlement, but accepted it with open arms.<br /><br />Dan could easily have told the class action members (and previously, the TA lawyers) that the settlement was poor or inadequate and that the lawyers should continue to work on it. He didn't.Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-60377445610601613562014-05-12T09:13:11.698-04:002014-05-12T09:13:11.698-04:00Re. the Roberts settlement funds distribution, man...Re. the Roberts settlement funds distribution, many questions are unanswered: <br />Who is benefitting from these repeated distribution delays? <br />Why did the tenants' legal team permit CW to dig their claws into this pool of stolen funds? CW has at their disposal the same legal remedies as any property owner who claims a current or ex-tenant owes them back-rent. Why is CW being permitted to make claims on the settlement funds, thus delaying the distributions? <br />Why won't anyone answer our questions regarding an updated distribution date?<br />The sad fact is that PCVST residents have been thrown to the wolves in this and so many other situations here. Our corrupted elected representatives, "our" highly compensated legal team and the press (with the exception of STR) would prefer to sweep this scandal under the rug. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-81134660362756806062014-05-12T09:11:19.930-04:002014-05-12T09:11:19.930-04:00May 12, 2014 at 6:18 AM
TPU refers to the Tenant ...May 12, 2014 at 6:18 AM<br /><br />TPU refers to the Tenant Protection Unit. One of the things they do is audit landlord renovations on vacated stabilized apts to see if costs were inflated. That said, you don't know what the TPU is but that doesn't stop you from spouting off about something about which you know nothing, with a tsk thrown in for good measure. Take your faux world-weary condescension and piss off.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-5372488433938552812014-05-12T08:58:01.512-04:002014-05-12T08:58:01.512-04:00May 12, 2014 at 12:06 AM
A distinction with out a...May 12, 2014 at 12:06 AM<br /><br />A distinction with out a difference? Bullshit. <br /><br />Everybody, politicians (<a href="http://www.briankavanagh.org/news/?p=8176" rel="nofollow">including Brian Kavanagh and Liz Krueger</a>), Tenants rights advocates including Mike McKee, and regular ST-PCV people applauded the Roberts decision. TS thought it was a victory for tenants too -- Roberts was the final nail in the coffin that drove them to default on their ST-PCV purchase. The RE industry thought it was a victory for tenants too. Chas Bagli wrote in his book that Joe Strauss and the RSA were practically apoplectic over Roberts. They got the GOP to introduce bill S5763 to the State Senate which tried to undo Roberts by allowing landlords who get J-51 tax abatements and illegally deregulate stabilized apts to allow landlords who illegally deregulated rent stabilized apartments to keep the rent that they overcharged tenants. It died in the Assembly.<br /><br />What happened in court was another story entirely. That result was not lauded by anybody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-41260380701474531702014-05-12T06:18:49.983-04:002014-05-12T06:18:49.983-04:00
What is TPU?
No one is going to help us. The ...<br /><br />What is TPU?<br /><br />No one is going to help us. The property will go to another sleaze landlord. Poor Dan and company, the powers that be must have been playing them for so long now. How could they be so naive though? Tsk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-10221544034849062692014-05-12T00:42:14.348-04:002014-05-12T00:42:14.348-04:00My impression of those times was that Dan had his ...My impression of those times was that Dan had his eyes on tenant ownership of PCVST and wished the Roberts settlement out of the way, which is why he pushed for all members of the lawsuit to accept it. He accepted it, too, as he was a member of that lawsuit, too.<br /><br />I also suspect that the goal of tenant ownership has been behind the recent MCI settlements and the unwillingness to fight them in protracted court battles.Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-62278071049003096452014-05-12T00:38:04.044-04:002014-05-12T00:38:04.044-04:00December, 2012:
Question: What will be the single...December, 2012:<br /><br />Question: What will be the single most important development for the downtown community in 2013?<br /><br />Garodnick: With the Roberts settlement announced, 2013 will be the year Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village tenants get management to work with them on a condo conversion, and begin the process of taking ownership of their community.Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-42006528603285263162014-05-12T00:24:58.569-04:002014-05-12T00:24:58.569-04:00Also Garodnick seemed to want all the members of t...Also Garodnick seemed to want all the members of the class action lawsuit to accept the settlement. He took pride in the fact that eventually all of them did. (There were two initial holdouts, I believe.) Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-16924207953522368332014-05-12T00:18:40.954-04:002014-05-12T00:18:40.954-04:00Garodnick had his reservations about the settlemen...Garodnick had his reservations about the settlement, but in the "bigger picture" felt the resolution would mean that tenant ownership of the property could proceed:<br /><br />"We will reserve judgment on the fairness of this agreement until we have had a chance to consider the aggregate impacts on current and former tenants," said Council Member Garodnick. "Tenants had overpaid for years as a result of illegal rent deregulation, and they have been waiting a long time for relief. I am concerned that a significant number of tenants may be subject to rent increases under this agreement, and that will be a point of interest to members of the class who will have an opportunity to object. In the bigger picture, the Roberts settlement has been hanging over our heads for a long time as a barrier to tenant ownership of the property, and that barrier is now removed."Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.com