tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post6615163589851938964..comments2024-03-17T17:11:59.147-04:00Comments on The Stuyvesant Town Report: TA Facebook Page UnravelsStuy Town Reporterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-85724389491410877092012-07-04T17:45:04.754-04:002012-07-04T17:45:04.754-04:00ANON @ July 4, 2012 5:24 PM,
You really said it a...ANON @ July 4, 2012 5:24 PM,<br /><br />You really said it all. These people have an agenda and are not to be trusted. Period.<br /><br />And, if you scratch at the surface of the Board members, you will find things that are less than encouraging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-78174654288097992462012-07-04T17:24:47.695-04:002012-07-04T17:24:47.695-04:00There are political reasons why the TA bans anonym...There are political reasons why the TA bans anonymity or sock puppets from its FB page. First, they know perfectly well that with anonymity will come very challenging questions for which they probably have no answers. (If they truly wanted an open dialogue, they could filter out the crazies.) Second, with anonymity a dialogue will occur & when the TA positions don't hold, they risk losing some support. Third, the TA feels that it's in the catbird seat because of Garodnick, T&V and other pols. They can only lose by enabling dialogue; they have nothing to gain. The simple fact is they don't want an open dialogue, have not wanted one from the beginning. And the moral superiority they like to tout about non-anonymity is enough to make most of us gag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-23020516344124657662012-07-04T15:21:12.010-04:002012-07-04T15:21:12.010-04:00Don’t forget that the TA and Dan Garodnick are joi...Don’t forget that the TA and Dan Garodnick are joined at the hip, and the commentary on this blog has not been that favorable to Dan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-43384054345528633692012-07-04T13:25:17.067-04:002012-07-04T13:25:17.067-04:00The bottom line is that the TA has made an enemy o...The bottom line is that the TA has made an enemy out of me. Whereas before I was critical on occasion of the TA, and almost exclusively with its rabid focus on condo conversion which is NOT affordable housing, and whereas I supported the TA with donations/dues, now I will look upon this organization in a very different light. I felt something was very wrong with the banning of Guterman "sock puppets," because it's a slippery slope (another one in Stuy Town!) to banning others.<br /><br />Again, I will continue on here, but whatever support I had for the TA is gone now. It's a small organization that is, unfortunately, getting smaller and by their regrettable own design. If the TA accomplishes something that benefits this community and "affordability," I will report it and sing hosannas. Otherwise....<br /><br />BTW, there is one person who is consistently trying to get irritating and quite stupid comments accepted here. It won't happen. So don't waste your time. Your time would be better spent heading over to the Oval Cafe and buying some chicken fingers.Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-53797693837930296152012-07-04T13:01:53.502-04:002012-07-04T13:01:53.502-04:00>>STR, I am assuming that you were posting o...>>STR, I am assuming that you were posting on the TA Facebook page as a "sock puppet" and that's why they banned you, correct? If so, why not just post under your real name? Does the TA know who you really are? Is that why you don't want to use your real name?<<<br /><br />I was intentionally using, for the longest time, "Lamont Cranston." And that's not a "sock puppet" but an obvious alias, aka, The Shadow, with an avatar graphic of The Shadow to underline the point. If the TA mods have all of sudden figured out that The Shadow is just an alias--well, then they are pretty slow on the uptake, remarkably so! And, yes, I don't want my real name known everywhere for obvious reasons; otherwise, I wouldn't use STR here. But I never posted as a duplicitous "sock puppet," presenting viewpoints for another entity, and only used to make brief comments on the TA Facebook page that were never unfavorable to the TA.<br /><br />As to whether the mods knew that STR was "Cranston," I believe I did out that relationship a while back, and there are other ways of them knowing.Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-39019950011500715702012-07-04T12:38:47.399-04:002012-07-04T12:38:47.399-04:00STR, I am assuming that you were posting on the TA...STR, I am assuming that you were posting on the TA Facebook page as a "sock puppet" and that's why they banned you, correct? If so, why not just post under your real name? Does the TA know who you really are? Is that why you don't want to use your real name?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-30516540670759516312012-07-04T12:29:45.156-04:002012-07-04T12:29:45.156-04:00"BTW, I wish I could pass a comment about &qu..."BTW, I wish I could pass a comment about "Sock Puppets," but that comment outs some who posted as "Jill" on the TA Facebook page, and I can't rightly out this person here. I think it's been plain for a while that the Guterman blog has a strong advocate who is associated with Guterman and who used to come on the TA Facebook blog"<br /><br />Which is why the TA's actions are justified IMHO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-61500886910143340712012-07-04T12:23:44.168-04:002012-07-04T12:23:44.168-04:00No, there was no warning or reason given. At least...No, there was no warning or reason given. At least I'm saved future donations to the TA, as it would be absurd to donate to an organization that bans me from their own Facebook! As a tit-for-tat, I've removed the TA's contact info from the main blog page, and the contact info of its Facebook page. Not a big deal for the TA, of course, as its primary objective is securing a condo deal, in which wealthier members of our community stand to become "landowners" (ie, own their apartments). This is the sparkle in the eyes of the potentially "nouveau riche." Screw everyone else.<br /><br />BTW, I wish I could pass a comment about "Sock Puppets," but that comment outs some who posted as "Jill" on the TA Facebook page, and I can't rightly out this person here. I think it's been plain for a while that the Guterman blog has a strong advocate who is associated with Guterman and who used to come on the TA Facebook blog, and who also posts here. But, for me, this is not a problem.Stuy Town Reporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538426011607971633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-65036779535846616132012-07-04T12:21:16.833-04:002012-07-04T12:21:16.833-04:00They didn't ban STR, they banned a sock puppet...They didn't ban STR, they banned a sock puppet who happened to be STR. Did the account say it was STR? If so, they might have left it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-62328091611554172232012-07-04T12:01:27.729-04:002012-07-04T12:01:27.729-04:00Did you get any warning or reason for the banning?...Did you get any warning or reason for the banning?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-58879852054679373302012-07-04T11:42:19.122-04:002012-07-04T11:42:19.122-04:00Sad that they would ban you, STR. I've given u...Sad that they would ban you, STR. I've given up on the TA in a lot of ways and this makes me give up on them even more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-9946151553062074472012-07-04T10:48:10.928-04:002012-07-04T10:48:10.928-04:00Now I know for sure that I want nothing whatsoever...Now I know for sure that I want nothing whatsoever to do with any conversion endeavor spearheaded by the TA. I do not like them or trust them. Their obsessive secrecy, control-freakishness and just plain nastiness does not portend well for anyone who would seek to purchase their apartment and have any kind of opinion, question or party-line difference from the TA. I would rather continue to have a bloodsucking landlord than get involved in anything to do with the TA. It seems to be the lesser of two evils.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-34247972479213026982012-06-30T20:29:33.688-04:002012-06-30T20:29:33.688-04:00"All this acrimony between the TA and the Gut..."All this acrimony between the TA and the Guterman proponents, as well as the TA's rigid rules and secrecy, really puts me off the idea of wanting to buy my apartment."<br /><br />You could be put off by that or the fact that, regardless of structure, the place is going to be a money pit and an financial fiasco.<br /><br />Either way, I agree with your sentiment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-40716781766357046882012-06-30T08:51:31.466-04:002012-06-30T08:51:31.466-04:00Regarding MBaaar-I've given up as well. He or ...Regarding MBaaar-I've given up as well. He or she is very pro-coop, anti-TA, and the site is edited to reflect that. Plus some of the info posted by MB is just plain wrong, but why bother trying to correct an anonymous blogger with unknown credentials?Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-50583988122636162072012-06-30T00:23:59.728-04:002012-06-30T00:23:59.728-04:00All this acrimony between the TA and the Guterman ...All this acrimony between the TA and the Guterman proponents, as well as the TA's rigid rules and secrecy, really puts me off the idea of wanting to buy my apartment. I don't think I'd want any of those people having a say in how this place is run if it ever were to go co-op or condo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-16524874891543827582012-06-29T19:23:09.924-04:002012-06-29T19:23:09.924-04:00MBaar says... "We'll keep doing our thing...MBaar says... "We'll keep doing our thing."<br /><br />Yeah. The same thing the TA site was doing. Keeping the dialogue on track with what you hope to accomplish and filtering out all of the dissenting views.<br /><br />And by the way, why are you posting here, anyway? With the staggering traffic on your site and the robust dialogue you must be called upon to moderate, how could you possibly have time to visit your wisdom on us mere mortals here? We are truly blessed...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-78246628725338008002012-06-29T19:16:20.215-04:002012-06-29T19:16:20.215-04:00"Peter Stuyvesant is the administrators profi..."Peter Stuyvesant is the administrators profile name, and multiple TA officials use it."<br /><br />Well, now he seems to be as dead as his namesake. IMO, the TA version didn't do any favors to the original man's reputation or memory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-23025859606060180462012-06-29T19:07:41.114-04:002012-06-29T19:07:41.114-04:00Sockpuppet (Internet)
From Wikipedia, the free enc...Sockpuppet (Internet)<br />From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br /><br /><br />A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception. The term—a reference to the manipulation of a simple hand puppet made from a sock—originally referred to a false identity assumed by a member of an internet community who spoke to, or about himself while pretending to be another person.[1] The term now includes other uses of misleading online identities, such as those created to praise, defend or support a third party or organization.[2] A significant difference between the use of a pseudonym[3] and the creation of a sockpuppet is that the sockpuppet poses as an independent third-party unaffiliated with the puppeteer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-25709926695214107792012-06-29T16:28:29.113-04:002012-06-29T16:28:29.113-04:00Do you understand the difference between a sock pu...Do you understand the difference between a sock puppet and using an official log-in identity that can be shared by multiple administrators???? Peter Stuyvesant is the administrators profile name, and multiple TA officials use it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-88608629369139391172012-06-29T13:46:20.859-04:002012-06-29T13:46:20.859-04:00mbaar is only trying to stir up controversy and at...mbaar is only trying to stir up controversy and attention in an attempt to drive traffic to that tumble weed of a site he's got going.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-62985225676826853672012-06-29T12:56:02.255-04:002012-06-29T12:56:02.255-04:00Perfect. This wasn't a post. Here's what...Perfect. This wasn't a post. Here's what I was asked via email from ejjj3:<br />"Supply a simplified summary of where things stand, i.e. parties involved and their current position, timelines (best guess), pricing options and process, anticipated options for rent stabilized vs. market tenants, litigation conclusions, etc."<br><br />"What are out prospects of buying an apt in the complex? What is likely to be the pricing formula? Will residents be given options in other apt in the complex? In PC? Is there an effective way to get involved and become more knowledgable outside the TA?"<br> A full answer would be like writing War & Peace. I responded with general answers but noted that the questions were so broad & many answers already so well publicized, that I suspected this was possibly a put-on. And I posted "If we don't hear from ejjj3 by 1pm, I'll retire this post." <br><br />I never heard from ejjj3.<br><br />Actually, I don't care if the TA doesn't want to allow anonymity. We'll keep doing our thing. But the TA just posted the possibility of having an open dialogue at its site about questions & doubts. It's just contradictory to say you want an open dialogue and then at the same time not allow any anonymity.MBaaarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06797957962933962267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-89094048124184949822012-06-29T12:37:58.993-04:002012-06-29T12:37:58.993-04:00Sorry MBAAR, AKA Jill Saunders, but your persona w...Sorry MBAAR, AKA Jill Saunders, but your persona was a distraction on the TA page and you fought with most of the people who responded to your bulldozing way of communicating. You're not missed.The Batnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-40372832204521333132012-06-29T11:20:56.419-04:002012-06-29T11:20:56.419-04:00Anonymous said...
MBaaar uses a "heavy hand&...Anonymous said... <br />MBaaar uses a "heavy hand" in moderating his own blog. If you don't agree with his position on conversion, you are not published. As a result, not only have I stopped posting on his blog, I have stopped visiting it. I do not want to be one of the "unique visitors" he reports to his sponsor.<br /><br />Right on. Just the other day MBarr deleted a post where the poster was just asking simple questions looking for basic information, because he said he suspected them of "trolling". So let me get this straight --- he can do whatever he likes, but when someone is actually trolling with a proven fraudulent profile designed to look like an acutal tenant and the TA doesn't allow it, that's censorship? <br /><br />But I guess if you have an agenda to anonymously push, logical consistency is not your #1 priority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-7806114795262991462012-06-29T11:03:45.333-04:002012-06-29T11:03:45.333-04:00"MBaaar said...
I feel that the problem with..."MBaaar said...<br /><br />I feel that the problem with the TAFB page is that they should allow anonymity & if that means 'sock puppets' so be it."<br /><br />Can TA set rules for your website then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1837176580996082182.post-64440714346804189232012-06-29T11:02:19.728-04:002012-06-29T11:02:19.728-04:00"Jill Saunders" and "Brian O'Sh..."Jill Saunders" and "Brian O'Shashanshahsa" were both LOUD MOUTHED sock puppets who drew attention to themselves and were combative with the TA on the page. <br /><br />The TA has EVERY right to set a few basic rules for their page and enforce them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com