This was posted by Edmund John Dunn on the other Stuy Town Facebook. Though the post is not about Stuy Town, the park "project" will affect us. Besides, during nice weather, I go into the park and have felt it was a very positive boon to residents (yes, mostly, lower class) who live there and enjoy the park with weekend sports and barbecues:
"The question is not that
something has to be done but what plan should be done. The plan that was
carefully thought out over 4 years with major community input? Or this CF plan
whereby the MO is we have to destroy the park to save it. And now throw in the
clock is ticking for the Sandy Federal funds as well. The EV Grieve blog has a
great thread on this issue. As always, follow the money. Funny, the destroy the
park to save it plan is not being used on the West side which also had a major
Sandy impact. On the East side, low income housing projects (NYCHA) face the
river. On the West side, massive lux development has already taken place. As
always, follow the money. REBNY say what? And also, enough with this 25,000
Amazon job number. It was once 40,000 jobs. Where does this figure come from?
Out of Bezos’s butt?"
There are a lot of other things destroying people. And the "opposition" is ramming on.
New York City and New York State have never delivered on the number of jobs they claim they will create once billions are spent in tax subsidies to corporations. Look at the Buffalo billion to see the number of jobs promised compared to the number of jobs created. The film hub alone is a stunner and the prosecutions of the developers, lobbyists and Albany insider right hand men are the shockers that boggle the senses. The Buffalo billion film hub created a dozen or so jobs, a far cry from the numbers promised.
ReplyDeleteThe politicians never follow up on their headlines for tax subsidies jobs promised with numbers delivered but the reporters sure do. Amazon numbers seem implausible. Many workers would just switch from their jobs now to the new Amazon jobs. Amazon may employ 25,000 or thereabouts but that does not equal jobs created.
We lost the battle years ago despite this blog being a rallying place for the complex. The tenants did not rally together, years ago, when the opportunity was there during the property transition in owners. Now it is a pitiful disgrace.
Take a look at Cuomo's economic empowerment campaign to see what a failure he is. He used to run ads touting all the businesses who took him up on tax breaks for 10 years in order to move into upstate NY. He had to remove the ad because his plan backfired as every one of the companies that took the tax break (and more) left before the 10 year break expired. NY is NOT business friendly and the only way to get companies in is to bribe them but be aware they are going to leave.
ReplyDeleteWhich park is being referred to by STR and Edmund Dunn, please?
ReplyDeleteEast River Park. It starts a little below Stuyvesant Town.
ReplyDeletem14 is a Joke. Why can't the greatest city in the world add more buses there - less cars more stringent car rules and traffic employees outside at rush hour. Baffling and also embarrassing from a city such as Manhattan.
ReplyDeleteSTR, some folk on the non-TA fb are not happy about you using their names without asking first. I am a bit surprised at you myself.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that, keep up the good work! You are our only true voice!
OMFH IT IS FREEZING IN OUR APARTMENT. WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT? MORE THAN $4,500 WE PAY EACH MONTH.
ReplyDeleteI just read the TA complaints. Settled right now. Ridiculous because it's meant as a favor, but your wish is my command.
ReplyDeleteI made some more changes to the front page post.
ReplyDeleteWould be so nice to get a good night's sleep. Hooting, screechy girls and braying bros at 4 this morning - all coming home to my building (aren't we lucky?); helicopters skimming the rooftops at 6 AM. Such is life in the Sty. With the incessant noise, skimpy heat and absolutely nobody except you, STR, who gives a damn about what we have to go through, it really is a war of nerves here. I think the way this place is run is designed to make sure nobody gets comfortable here. They want to keep the apartments churning and no way are they worth what Management is charging. They have tried to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse and it just ain't worked! These buildings are only marginally better than NYCHA buildings and only very marginally better run.
ReplyDeleteActually, I have some friends who live in NYCHA apartments, and maybe their building is a better than average, but the flats are warm, clean and quiet. And NO enormous dogs or pitbulls are allowed. We only hear about the NYCHA buildings that are badly run, but some of them are really very nice.
I disagree that NYCHA apartments are nice or even OK. But they don’t charge the ridiculous rents that Blackstone does. These apartments are worth the 1700 monthly many of us pay, no more. I also disagree that STR is the only one who cares. True this blog publishes criticisms but many other tenants care too.I have approached local pols and called management ad others have
DeleteThe hot water is never hot anymore. Especially in tub. Shit landlord.
Delete"OMFH IT IS FREEZING IN OUR APARTMENT. WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT? MORE THAN $4,500 WE PAY EACH MONTH."
ReplyDeleteWe had no heat all day yesterday (we have a little puff here and there today), but we are only paying $3.5K, so I guess we are getting away with a cheap rent. NOT!
There needs to be some publicity about how they run this development and how they gouge the tenants and provide little to no heat. Actually, they don't make an effort to make any aspect of life here worth what they are charging us. We are definitely not interested in their silly side-shows! It's fun waiting to see what nonsense they are pushing at us each month. Just give us heat! I think we pay enough to qualify for heat! I hope the bottom falls out of the RE market soon because I'd love to see these bloodsucking scam artists have to beg for customers.
They will never have to beg for customers because they can fill these expensive apartments with students, unrelated roomies, Airbnb and long term tourists. Endless pool of the above who will fulfill the rents.
DeleteThe bros in the dorm apartment on my side of the hall emit a nearly constant pot odor from their apartment. When you get off the elevator it stinks. When pot is legalized these buildings are going to stink to high heaven. Nauseating.
ReplyDeleteAround 4:30 (still daylight) there was a free dog running around within the new railing surrounding the Oval. Two girls where there, too. And not a PS officer to be seen anywhere, including the small guardhouse. This place is a joke. LOL. I know: "What's it to you, mister?"
ReplyDelete2:12 Have you called management about your lack of heat? You have to keep calling. Also report it to the offices of local pols. After I called about four times, I finally got consistent heat.
ReplyDelete@6:52 PM: I have been in several NYCHA apartments in Manhattan and in the Bronx. Some were very well cared for, others not so much. Some of the buildings were horrible, but many were quite nice and at least as clean as Stuyvesant Town. Don't judge all NYCHA dwellings by the outrageously horrible ones you see on TV and which politicians like to make hay over. I was a visiting nurse for 30 years and went into many, many NYCHA buildings and apartments. Several were better than STY town (as it is now). Others were worse. Some had urine and feces in the stairwells (which I only used when the elevators were out of commission). I have encountered urine, feces and vomit on the stairs here in STY town. I have also encountered many used condoms and tampons on the stairs here in STY town. In fact, I've seen used tampons and condoms outside on the ground. Maybe they get thrown out of windows? I don't know. I just know that I have seen them on occasion.
ReplyDeleteMaybe we don't have poor, angry people living here (because poverty creates anger and that translates into destructive behavior), but we sure have some filthy, nasty slobs living here and I don't think they are the people who have been living here for years and are paying the rent stabilized rents. I think they are the students and, maybe, people who just get into the buildings to find a warmish, if uncomfortable, place to sleep, have sex, get high or simply relieve themselves.
Stuyvesant Town has gone down the sewer in recent years and current "management" is making sure it sinks lower and stays there.
DeBlasio just told New York how little regard he has for our lives with his remarks about Amazon taking their ball and going home.
ReplyDeleteMr DeBlasio this is not a game. Please stop playing with the lives of your constituents or get out of politics so real representatives of the people can hold the jobs that are making impacts on our lives.
Mr DeBlasio's impact so far is devastating to our lives and quality of life and that he was giving $500 million to construction unions out of the $3billion to Amazon was not just a tax break, it was paying the construction costs for the trillion dollar Amazon business. DeBlasio was giving $500 million to pay for Amazon's construction costs. Amazon is a trillion dollar business. The Amazon owner is a billionaire. The company Amazon paid $0 in federal taxes two years in a row.
Anyone else getting the building construction for their small business paid for by Mr DeBlasio?
Anyone else paying $0 in federal taxes for their small businesses?
DeBlasio made a dirty deal with the construction union, Amazon, and all the union heads in that infamous Wednesday meeting before the Thursday pull-out by Amazon.
Amazon didn't take their ball and go home or not have what it takes to make it here. Amazon pulled out of a dirty deal. Frankly the tenant association here should have pulled out of the dirty deal but they are neck deep in the dirty deeds in their East Hampton deal.
The backroom deal making, the secrecy, the changes in story of how the deal happened, the scrambling by city officials to make the deal happen, all that and more is just another day in the dirty deals StuyTown and Amazon. The dubious motives of those in the Wednesday meeting is exposed by Amazon pulling out which frankly will make Amazon come out ahead when all is said and done.
I settled the "problems" on my front page posting. Be it known that I have a "life" outside of this blog and I am heavily on the internet and on blogs. The frequent problem I see, and complaint, is that peoples names are NOT used when quoted. On a friendly post. Not an opposition post. I have never come across the opposite, a friendly post that is quoted with the name of the poster done as a common courtesy. Never.
ReplyDeleteI have settled the issue by removing my quoting post after a complaint (and not just one!). So, the original post on Facebook stands where it is, and it will naturally disappear soon as other posts take prime spot. I made a mistake in trying to be generous and extending the life of this post.
Stuyvesant Town continues on.
You can't please everybody, STR, so you might as well please yourself. The vast majority of people who read your blog are grateful for what you do and respect and admire you and your work. I know it's a heavy load, but you are our only voice.
ReplyDeleteThe landlord only looks good on paper with the AIRBNB and other deals(NYC and local universities). These are not long term solutions for them. This type of tactic is akin to opening up pop up stores in vacant retail. This allows the landlord to make up some of the losses. It won’t work on the long haul. You would think they would learn with the glut of retail vacancies that grows daily in the east village and surrounding neighborhoods. We only need to blame big real estate for the problems this city is in. GREED. GREED. GREED. And the architecture to awful. Those buildings on 14st are disgusting
ReplyDeleteIt has worked for three years already.
Delete6 37 ooooooo Not so sure. There are over 11,200 apartments here. Big house to fill even with bros and hoes. I say hit em where it hurts ya'll.
ReplyDeleteThey appear to fill the apartments as soon as a vacancy occurs. I have had numerous groups of bros in the apartment downstairs. Three to an apartment. A revolving door of crap. Believe me, they know what they are doing and are profiting.
ReplyDeleteNo heat. Brackish-brown water. No carpeting in apartments above. Braying bros, "working" girls, students stuffed into apartments like sardines. Condoms, dog shit, urine in elevators and stairwells, tampons in washing machines, minimal security, noise, noise, noise.
ReplyDeleteAnd all for only $4,750 per month.
What a deal!
As soon as my lease is up, I'M OUTTA HERE!
I can understand old time rent-stabilized tenants staying here.
But anyone renting paying market rate is a FOOL.
(P.S. Fool #1 is writing this!)
Clearly Management wants the old-timers OUT and will stop at nothing to do so.
Mark my words.
The war is just beginning.
Golub Notices perhaps?
BYE, BYE!
How about some heat?
ReplyDeleteHot water is iffy too.
What's up wit dat?
Barely lukewarm in the laundry room, too.
ReplyDeleteI look at the evidence, not the sweet talk from Management. Yes, some things are nice that are new, but other things, important ones, are not being dealt with. Bottom line: I always see INFRACTIONS here when I walk out the door, which tells me that either the Management is incompetent or that they just don't care except for good publicity.
ReplyDeleteAnd that "good publicity" is directly tied in with the selling of apartments.
ReplyDeleteI think Management is both incompetent and uncaring.
ReplyDeleteManagement, some of it, may be incompetent, and may be uncaring.
ReplyDeleteMuch of it knows EXACTLY WHAT IT IS DOING.
There is a whole lotta information here in cyberspace about the new breed of CORPORATE SLUMLORDS.
As has been written: Blackstone is infamous for working overtime to destroy the lives of its renters in single family homes, multiple family homes in other places in America, and in a whole host of countries. (Repeat: People living in Spain took to the streets when they were brutalized by Blackstone.)
This is deliberate, immoral, criminal, inhumane, DESIGNED TO BADLY HURT PEOPLE and EVEN RENDER THEM HOMELESS. Terminally ill, mentally ill, dead. All sorts and kinds of enviable conditions - THAT is what they want.
Blackstone's minions are DEMONSTRATING, DAILY, IN THEIR ACTIONS how much they care about people who pay them money to have shelter and heat and hot water.
Further: The lawyers here many years ago are still here. Those who worked to EVICT (make homeless, which could result in sick, suffering horrifically, all of which could lead to dead) THOUSANDS of us are still here.
Whaddya think they're doing? Planning, with great earnestness, to improve our lives, safeguard our health and wellbeing?
The heat went off at 9:30 tonight and I doubt we will get any more until tomorrow morning (after people start complaining about being cold). This is a complex-wide cutback in heat and it is deliberate. It is deliberate and cruel. They are probably hoping that the older tenants get sick and die and they don't give a damn about babies, who are very vulnerable in cold weather.
ReplyDeleteIf this vile corporate filth could exterminate us all in order to get the land we are living on, they would.
A new first for PigStuyTown!
ReplyDeleteSome jerk "air mailed" a garbage bag out the window.
Any readers old enough to remember, this was par for the course in the "projects" in the 70's and 80's.
Tenant behavior has reached a new low.
But, of course, Stuy Town now makes NYCHA look high class.
Stuy Town - the "projects" at 10 times the "projects" rent.
The demo here now is terrible. Real low life’s being packed in and rotating in and out of apartments.
ReplyDeleteWe are really descending to a low level that the those of us who have lived here for a long time have never seen before. It's hard to believe I am living in the same place I have been living in for many years. This cold, dirty, noisy, ugly dump. It's heartbreaking. I cannot understand why anybody would want to pay "market" rent to live here. I guess that's why they can only fill it with students (undergrads) and City subsidized people (who are not all bad, but some are terrible). I am guessing this was the deal struck with DeBlasio and Garodnick.
ReplyDeleteThe guy who is managing the property now doesn't seem to know what he is doing. I don't think he has experience at running a housing complex because it seems to be all showbiz with him!
I woke up in the early morning. Went to check the pipes. Nothing. Cold as ice.
ReplyDeleteAt one time Fred Lefrak and Wilbur Ross were contemplating a partnership to buy PCVST. I know this for a fact because I worked at one of the law firms involved at the time. Look at the ratings for Lefrak City - no heat, send someone to cover air conditioners, etc., - all the bullshit we have to endure here. Those apartments are cheaper, but look where they are located.
ReplyDeleteI guess renters just have a no-win situation unless we can afford Park Avenue and move in next to Schwartzman, Kochs, et al.!
On those windows, remember that years long lawsuits and 1997 ruling that Metlife had to pay tenants $4million rebate? An out of court settlement. We should have gone to trial and done a discovery to open the books of the landlord and the tenant association. Not jumping on any bandwagons unless there is a trial, full discovery period and no backroom slick sleazy out of court settlements.
ReplyDelete"One of New York City's biggest landlord-tenant disputes was resolved yesterday when the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, owner of Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village, agreed to refund $4 million in rent to residents of the two sprawling complexes on Manhattan's East Side.
The refund, stipulated in an out-of-court settlement, ended more than three years of lawsuits and negotiations that stemmed from an ill-fated window replacement project. The insurance company had tried to pass along to tenants $30 million in costs for new windows that had malfunctioned."
"I woke up in the early morning. Went to check the pipes. Nothing. Cold as ice."
ReplyDeleteThat's the new Corporate Cool - The Charles Dickens feel to the place.
I agree that this deal was struck with the mayor, Councilman Garodnick, other local pols at the time and the TA. It is very profitable for them, this rotating student, city subsidy, transient renting demo. It is interesting how my neighbors who I believe to be subsidized, live in a 3500 or so apartment and have been there three years whereas other tenant were priced out after a year. They don’t work and have had public assistance come to their door. I think this deal was struck with de Blasio when Blackstone took over. As for managing, they are happy with the one they have because he manages as they see fit.
ReplyDeleteThe absence of heat makes CRACKSTONE look good on paper. Lower operating cost make the operation cost look lower and improve CAP on the property. Less security presence, lack of adequate cleaning people, garbage served at pigstuy all equal lower operating costs......no better than Croman or Kushner....disgusting
ReplyDeleteA little side note. Blackstone is also a city in Massachusetts. ;-)
ReplyDeleteIs it baby picture time over at the TA Facebook? I like babies, but....?
ReplyDeleteI have to say, and surely not the first time, that the TA is lousy. There are a few good posters there, but the organization and their "Peter Stuyvesant" are a sham.
ReplyDeleteThey are self absorbed clowns plain and simple. They blow smoke on that page like they are doing something for tenants. They. Are. Not. Heat, crime, slovenly environs issues are all brushed aside for some political garbage! I’ll go on that bus ride to Albany when I get a good warm nights sleep. Thanks for the help TA in all of the real issues here. The replies from Peter Stuyvesant are directed from management and not from anyone actually interested in the tenants. Maybe that guy who does those comical yelp replies is the real PS. Piece of s....
DeleteThe TA, as I have said many times, is despicable. I would rather deal with management and that is saying a lot. Their final insult was that heating plant tour and posts that we were responsible for calling on our own heating problems. Their recent attempts at cuteness, calling us peeps and sending Valentines messages nauseate me. How can anyone pay dues to this sham of an organization.
ReplyDeleteSTR, you call the TA a "sham".
ReplyDeleteI call it corrupt.
Another February snowstorm today.
ReplyDeleteThe worsening, life-endangering actions of Blackstone here in Peter Cooper and Stuyvesant Town continue to multiply.
1. For the first time, there were two brand new, narrow, plow trucks coming at pedestrians on First Avenue, southward, toward 14th Street. As I walked toward Bruno's, I was unpleasantly surprised to see headlights bearing down upon me in the early afternoon. I looked into the cab of the first small, spanking new small plow vehicle. Sure enough, the driver wore a "Stuyvesant Town" advertisement on his head. He looked anything but aware or caring of the pedestrians he was threatening on the sidewalk. A second came shortly after his continued on, crossing the street toward Citibank and Dunkin Donuts.
I add: neither WAS PLOWING or SALTING. Just driving on down the sidewalk!
2. The plowing, salting and related activities were severely limited today and this evening. Someone reported that just after 8 p.m., the streets were "sheets of ice." THIS has not been standard behavior for ANY landlord here, no matter how avaricious and malicious.
3. As I attempted to cross one of the loops yesterday, the driver of yet another Stuyvesant Town engine-powered vehicle came straight at me, seemingly thoroughly uninterested in anyone actually using the WALKWAYS TO WALK.
4. Some time within the last two days, I observed a workman in one of the small green golf carts driving in the roadway BUT: ignoring the road entirely, sitting there smoking as he gazed raptly at his phone. CIGARETTE in ONE HAND; PHONE in the OTHER HAND. Safety first, yes?!
I don't know why the hell they (Tishman, maybe) gave ANY of the workers here vehicles. Of course, Blackstone, who is "branding" everything, and has the most obnoxious, sophomoric, juvenile, offensive, asinine IN YOUR FACE sh*t going I've ever even heard about, let alone suffered by a "landlord," just keeps piling the toxic human waste of LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME conspicuous spending in our faces and exponentially endangering our lives.
Before anyone protests that when a person is badly maimed or killed . . . many of us here knows Blackstone suits will not suffer one bit. THEY WANT THAT!
From what I'm reading on the TA and independent tenants fb pages, Management has started sending people into apartments without permission. Seems they also stuck stickums on an antique mirror. I hope the tenant has insurance that covers damage by unauthorized landlord morons entering and doing damage.
ReplyDeleteThe heat situation worsens daily. If we had a tenants association we would have some entity to take our grievances to. Unfortunately, I don't think that our local politicians are going to help us any. I have been a lifelong Democrat, but with this Mayor and the total lack of response from our local politicians, I am going to vote Republican all the way down the line from now on. At least they are honestly what they are, but our "Democratic" representatives are wolves in sheep's clothing. Have we heard a word from Powers about what we are suffering under this landlord's "freeze and destroy" policies? No, we haven't and it's not surprising considering that he was a well-paid REBNY shill for years before having the audacity to present himself as a Democratic candidate for City Council. What a liar and fraud!
That useless rag T&V has not uttered a word about the lack of heat which is complex-wide this winter. I think everybody who advertises in that rag should pull their ads in a show of solidarity with the community.
I have also been a lifelong Democrat but I have not been voting Democratic in recent state and city elections. I did not vote for Cuomo, deBlasio, Hoylman, or Kavannagh when they ran. The jury is out on Powers. I agree that they are useless.
DeleteTenants who are without adequate heat should absolutely BOMBARD the City's Heat Complaint Line with their complaints. This is a SLUMLORD no better than Kushner and the rest of the RE filth that harasses tenants. DeBlaz struck a deal with the devil when he dealt with Blackstone, but seeing how he treats NYCHA tenants, it must be his way of doing business.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I have read on this and other sites, the city is doing nothing
DeleteOMG! No heat most of yesterday; none overnight, and just a brief puff of heat for all of about ten minutes at 6:30 this morning. Now the pipes are cold. Can't live like this anymore. We need to get the media involved. Instead of the useless "engineers" Management dispatches, we need a reporter and cameras. They send them into NYCHA, why not here? This is deliberate, calculated tenant harassment and I don't know why. This needs to be in the Press so that people thinking of renting here will be aware these are cold-water flats.
ReplyDeleteIf you wish for to increase your experience simply keep visiting this site and be updated with the most up-to-date information posted here.
ReplyDeleteSurprise! Surprise! Surprise!
ReplyDeleteNO HEAT again this morning.
Pipes are ice cold!
Today is a warm winter day. Do not expect heat.
DeleteThis is in response to an earlier posting lambasting the Town & Village newspaper for printing NOTHING about lack of heat issues here in Stuy Town.
ReplyDeleteThis shows a COMPLLETE LACK OF JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY on the part of reporters Sabina Mollot, Maria Rocha-Buschel and editor Christopher Hagedorn.
Yet they published an obviously phony letter extolling Management as almost the Second Coming of Christ.
Truly disgraceful.
PROFOUNDLY dishonest journalism.
I clearly will let my subscription lapse and hope others do the same.
I am waiting for ONE article or letter in the T&V rag critical of management.
Let's see if T&V newspaper has a modicum of self-respect and responds to my allegations.
Ain't gonna happen!
I too am not renewing my subscription to this rag. Not only does it ignore heating issues, it is downright boring.
DeleteRe: HEAT and other INJURIES to TENANTS:
ReplyDeleteI've been calling for media presence here for quite some time.
Where heat is concerned, they've bared their fangs. Some of us, maybe many of us, have been hurt because of lack of heat, and demanding it, in ways and to an extent no one is willing to go public with at this time.
Tip of the iceberg: Whatever you see (bad, negative, harmful) is dozens and maybe hundreds of times worse.
Someone predicted Golub letters, which means trying to evict you because this wonderland of beauty and peace isn't your primary residence. Knapp and Company tried that one with thousands of us years back. It was an effective Reign of Terror because people were petrified here, generally; thousands were actually served, I think; people spent time and money in court defending themselves against fabricated claims. Of course, the physical and mental strain injured many people. Some people left because they were hounded, exhausted, frightened.
'Don't know if that is coming, but it looks as if they're gearing up for it again.
Illegal, unannounced entry into your home is being reported. Please give some details, if you have any. My personal description is Breaking and Entering, in this case a misdemeanor. "The LAW," according to Blackstone and millions of other neo-feudal human poison is "we can come in any time if we deem it necessary."
This also sounds too much like workmen entering apartments, even with tenants at home, and then "reporting" to management anything that could give "Legal" reason to go after the tenant in order to throw them out of their home. This was done during the Reign of Terror.
A whole lotta other actions are either being expanded or instituted, and each one breaks the lease (quiet enjoyment, warrant of habitability, etc.). As others have predicted, the Spring "events" and other commercial pandering is sure to get way, way worse.
More than one person here has consulted with attorneys. At least one law firm would be fine to institute a class action. Are we there yet? Or does Slumlord Blackstone need to do worse to galvanize us?
As before: quietenjoymentnow@gmail.com waits for others to stand up and fight.
And, as written previously, verification of true tenant status as opposed to management spy can be mutually exchanged.
6:33AM, Friday, Feb. 22nd
ReplyDeletePuff of heat...GONE!
Pipes ice cold!
Nice, real nice!
And for only $4,000 per month!
What a find PigStuyTown is!
Outta here as soon as my lease is up.
Worst move I ever made in my life.
So, around 3:40am I woke up. Checked the pipes. Cold.
ReplyDeleteEven under the regimes of Tishman Speyer and CW Capital we were never this heat-deprived. I know of no other landlord in NY (or anywhere else) that insists on tenants having Management-issued thermometers and countless visits by "engineers" to the apartments. And still won't turn on the heat. This is harassment of the utmost degree and the fact that the City does nothing about it, our elected representatives aren't interested and the TA is firmly in Management's corner and toes the Hayduk Party Line, means that we have absolutely no recourse. Using space heaters is the only way to survive winter in The Sty.
ReplyDeleteThere's nothing we can do. We are stuck with this Slumlord. Some of us are not in a position to move out because we can't afford to, but anyone who can afford to move in here should think twice. Or three or four times. Just don't waste your time and money moving into this snake pit of bad management and total contempt for tenants.
Still absolutely NOTHING in T&V about our heat problems. Just crackpot letters from crackpots and coverage of anywhere and everywhere OUT of PCVST! Sabina, when my subscription is up for renewal: Get lost and take your useless "newspaper" with you. You clearly don't give a damn about the tenants here and your content is subject to Management Approval! (Reminds me of the Soviet Union and Pravda!)
ReplyDelete@10:52 AM: I think the Tenants Association IS trying to deal with Management on the heat issue, but are being met with intransigence. I don't think they've had to deal with the likes of Blackstone in the past! Even the deplorable TS and CW were easier to deal with. They did their evil work with [mostly] unjust golub notices, but they turned the damned heat on in winter!
ReplyDeleteEven tenants who have had the "engineers" in their apartments are still cold because Management just won't turn the heat on. The sensors are a complete scam. I know people who have the sensors in their apartments and still the heat doesn't kick in no matter how cold it is. The TA doesn't own this dump and can't MAKE Management change its evil ways.
If the TA cannot deal with the heat, get out of the kitchen. Disband. Do not con people out of paying dues. The TA along with Dan the man and deBlasio pushed this deal on us. Your comments 12:31 make me wonder whose side you are on and where your interests lie.
DeleteThat rag T&V needs to fold. A total piece of irrelevant crap.
ReplyDeleteIf some of these bozos stopped paying dues to the TA and paying for T&V rag subscriptions, maybe both would fold. I haven’t paid TA dues in two years and will not renew my T&V when it comes due. Sorry I renewed it las year.
ReplyDeleteJust don’t pay dues to the TA or renew subscriptions to the T&V rag. Maybe then they would fold.
ReplyDeleteA visit to HPD's website will show you that many, many buildings in Stuyvesant Town have outstanding heat complaints. Some are for the ENTIRE BUILDING!
ReplyDeleteI just spoke to someone in Resident Services because we have had no heat since yesterday. I told him I was using a space heater and he said that is telling the sensors that I have heat. I don't have the sensors in my apartment, but he said that didn't make a difference because the sensors are for a "zone" and if somebody has a space heater in their apartment, the heat won't turn on for that zone. God Help Us.
ReplyDelete12:31. If the TA cannot deal with management, then they need to disband. This is not a new trend. From the beginning when confronted with a tenant issue, the resident was told to call Rick. They have lawyers and can at least organize protests. Do not make excuses for this inept organization. They are definitely in with management. If they had a shred of decency they would not collect dues. The dues go for nothing. I think that you are either a TA board member or a former one to spout that nonsense.
ReplyDelete12:31
ReplyDeleteThat’s crap. The TA worked with management to provide these glorious tours of the heating systems, which is the biggest load of garbage we’ve been faced with in a long long time. The tours are an insult.
If management isn’t cooperating with the TA, the TA FIGHTS. They get politicians and the media involved. That is not at all what this TA does. It is 100% complicit in all of this, and are just as much to blame for this fiasco as management is.
If you don’t have the wherewithal to fight for tenants, you step aside and let others give it a try. Our current TA board are all old-timers who spend their winters in Florida or the Hamptons and don’t have to worry about heat. Every last one of them needs to go.
"he said that didn't make a difference because the sensors are for a "zone" and if somebody has a space heater in their apartment, the heat won't turn on for that zone."
ReplyDeleteI wonder if that is true? That would mean that if somebody in the "sensors zone" was cooking and using the oven, then the sensors would interpret that warmth meant that everybody in the "zone" was getting adequate heat? That can't be true, can it? We have had almost no heat in the last 48 hours and I am wearing my coat in my apartment! We got a little puff of heat earlier this evening, but it went off at 9 pm and now it is getting really cold. I am planning to buy a space heater tomorrow. This whole thing is really, really sick. When I tell friends and co-workers that we get no heat most of the time, no matter how cold it is, they look at me with absolute disbelief. They think I must live in some walk-up slum. I'm paying $3,500 to live here and I'm freezing to death. My lease is up at the end of April and I can't wait to get out of here and I'm going to make sure to tell everyone I meet what a hellhole this is and recommend that they pass it on to everyone they know. People need to know what they are getting into when they sign on the dotted line to live here. I have filed a complaint with the City (311) and am hoping an inspector comes when I am home and when the heat is off. I wouldn't put it past this management to have a deal with heat inspectors to give them a heads-up when they are going to inspect. Probably I shouldn't say that because the heat inspectors are probably honest, decent people. Unlike our Landlord!
What a horrible way to live. I wouldn't mind so much if the apartment was dirt cheap, but it's not! There is absolutely nothing about it that makes it worth what I am paying and getting no heat. I never joined the tenants association because I figured it wasn't worth it as I never intended to stay beyond my lease. I always got the impression that they only represented the older people with cheap rents. I feel for those people with cheap rents because they are probably not in a position to move out and find something better.
The TA doesn’t represent anyone here, not even we older tenants. They are useless. As regards the city health inspectors, an earlier poster said that Management is informed when they come and turns up the heat.
ReplyDeleteAlthough it is good to spread the word that this place is an overpriced hellhole, they don’t seem to care. Blackstone has a lucrative deal with the city, tourist bureaus and colleges to fill these apartments quickly and at their desired rent. Of course we get a low life demo, but they do not care
ReplyDeleteAre you ready yet? Nearing readiness?
ReplyDeleteClass action lawsuit.
Rent strike.
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS PARTICULAR POST BY EXPLAINING HOW WE CAN DO NOTHING.
There comes a point when people get what they deserve.
We need to stand up to these predators, these sociopathic sadists who are dead inside their bodies.
Do you remember the old, "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" rallying cry?
Forget the present misnamed Tenants Association - it is the Ant-Tenant Association. I lived and still live through this with my so-called labor union.
WE HAVE THE POWER TO WREST BACK OUR HOMES.
Hell, I walk into a Ladies Room after a social meeting of sorts to have an associate tell me some stranger described the HELL SHE IS LIVING WITH HERE IN STUYVESANT TOWN/PETER COOPER VILLAGE. No one I know. Just another person being hurt in her own home by the twisted beings owning and running this place.
No TA, No T&V rag. US. RESIDENTS PAYING RENT TO BLACKWELL.
People here have predicted WAY WORSE HEADING OUR WAY. It will, and soon, if we do not STAND UP AND FIGHT.
quietenjoymentnow@gmail.com
Just looked at my copy of T&V. Still nothing about the heat (and other) problems here in Stuyvesant Town. Lots of coverage of other things not necessarily pertaining to Sty Town (border wall protests in Union Square, for instance), but not a word about what is bothering most of us most of the time this winter. Definitely, Management controls T&V. Shame on you, Sabina. You should pursue a different profession.
ReplyDeleteBlackstone and Rick Hayduk are both evil and despicable because they don't care if they harm other human beings, which is exactly what they're doing to the tenants who don't have adequate heat.
ReplyDeleteSomeone reported on one the tenant Facebook pages that right before a City inspector was scheduled to arrive at his apartment, the VILE management of this property turned his heat on so the inspector would not find the owner to be out of compliance. Why the hell do inspectors give owners warning that they will be coming on a certain date and at a certain time to do an inspection? What is wrong with our idiotic City government? Do they not have a clue that an owner might turn on enough heat to be found in compliance? The tenant also said that fairly soon after the inspector left, VILE management turned off his heat.
Doesn't anyone here know someone in the press who would be interested to hear what is going on here??
@3:04 pm: 12:31 here. Your statement "I think that you are either a TA board member or a former one to spout that nonsense." is absolutely so far off that is laughable. I have been banished by the TA and am far from being a Board Member or former Board Member. I've been banished for doing what you are doing on this page - speaking without thinking or knowing the facts. The point I was trying to make is that the TA doesn't have that much power. At least that is my opinion. Back in the day, before we were sold to TS, there were not that many issues. MetLife was a pretty good landlord and the TA (from what I can remember didn't do much except fight for the continuation of RS and challenge MCIs). I'm not saying that doing that was doing nothing, but it was only after MetLife became a public company instead of a mutual company that the corporate greed and persecution of tenants started.
ReplyDeleteWe probably could do with a TA that had more fangs and claws, but it is what it is. I don't know any of the TA leaders personally and wouldn't recognize any of them if I fell over them. I don't have any strong feelings for or against them. If they can get something done about the heat and other issues here, good; if not, we will just have to deal with the status quo.
11:37. If they cannot do anything they need to fold up. Collecting dues for nothing is criminal.
DeleteThey have lawyers and collect dues. Do not make excuses for them. If we have the status quo as you state then they should not be collecting money or calling themselves a TA.
Delete12:31 I do not think that you understand the function is a TA. If it has no power then it should fold. I hope you are not paying dues.FYI, saying a TA is powerless is ludicrous. What are they there for? They also insult our intelligence with inane things like heating tours.
Delete12:31 you should have strong feelings if you have no heat
DeleteI guess the “powerless” TA didn’t do much for you.
DeleteFu*k the Tenants Association.
ReplyDeleteWhat a farce.
A disgrace.
I've sought their assistance on several occasions with nary a response.
Not even the simple courtesy of a reply.
I'd sooner give their $50 "membership" to the down and outers on 14th and 1st.
Thieves, ghouls...not the bums.
The TA "Board"...hahaha
will stop paying dues also. Tohell with this now.
ReplyDeleteClose them down
DeleteThey are losing too
ReplyDeleteNo Amazon Warehouse for Blackstone after buying Gramercy May 2017
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heyhey
goodbye
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-07/blackstone-to-acquire-gramercy-property-trust-for-7-6-billion
I wonder if Cuomo and De Blasio had some sort of deal with Blackstone when they wooed Amazon? They all piss in the same pot. I think we are safer when the Mayor and the Gov are not speaking to each other. Each of them is corrupt and sleazy in his own right, but when the two of them concur on a deal, we are in big trouble.
ReplyDeleteCan't believe DeB is thinking of running for President! He would probably make Air Force One fly him to his gym in Park Slope every day. Lazy, arrogant PUTZ!!
Stinking pot smell from dorm apartment on my floor.
ReplyDeleteIt's in the 40s tonite, but we have no heat because the bastards don't factor in the wind chill. The sensors are a failure - except with respect to saving BlackSoul a little money. Cheap bloodsuckers.
ReplyDelete2:18 am. Awake with no heat in the house. Even the space heater is struggling.
ReplyDeleteWhen I call , I am told all of the usual nonsense.
And I’ve been repeatedly threatened, lied to, and repeatedly told by the person threatening me that IT IS NOT HAPPENING, THAT I AM RECEIVING HEAT.
AND TOLD THAT I AM THE PROBLEM.
Anybody out there familiar with goons, bullies, sadists?
It's so cold and windy today, but the bastards shut the heat off at 9 AM. Unbelievable! It will probably stay off all day now. I think Hayduk & Co. should be in jail.
ReplyDelete"12:31 you should have strong feelings if you have no heat"
ReplyDeleteLeaving soon, so I'll deal with it for now.
"There are a lot of other things destroying people. And the "opposition" is ramming on."
ReplyDeleteSTR, who is the "opposition" that is ramming on?
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I wonder if the booze they are going to serve at pig Stuy cafe will be made in the toilets and bathtubs of the dorms. All the moms will be tipsy on cheap rose before noon!
ReplyDeleteWhat is left these greedy clowns can make money on? They will do it...dog poop fertilizer maybe
From the TA email blast:
ReplyDelete"Thursday, Feb. 28., 7 p.m.
Business Affairs & Street Activities Committee of Community Board 6
CB6 office, 211 E. 43rd St., suite 1404
New wine, beer, and cider license for 5 Stuy Cafe. (Item #7 on the agenda, subject to change.) The State Liquor Authority takes community input into account but has the final say on granting a license."
Of course we all knew this was coming. Keith Powers, the cafe is currently in violation of the NYC zoning law (R7-2) since it is for "residents and guests only" but there is no electronic key entry (like the bathrooms, playgrounds, etc.) and zero signage stating that fact as well. And they deliver as well. WT*?
This has been emailed to Keith Power's office.
>>STR, who is the "opposition" that is ramming on?<<
ReplyDeleteBlackstone and Company.
>>From the TA email blast:
ReplyDelete"Thursday, Feb. 28., 7 p.m.
Business Affairs & Street Activities Committee of Community Board 6
CB6 office, 211 E. 43rd St., suite 1404
New wine, beer, and cider license for 5 Stuy Cafe. (Item #7 on the agenda, subject to change.) The State Liquor Authority takes community input into account but has the final say on granting a license."<<
Yes, a move that is overdue. The cafe has to make money and more money. If pot becomes legal, why not sell it at the cafe also?
What is next? Where/what time is "community input"? Didn't Management request a license?
FYI. I posted this at the TA FB page. Already the usual suspect cheerleaders are out in force. Waiting for the "move to" or "get a life' or "get a grip" lines. So predictable.
ReplyDeletePower's office has responded to me. I'll keep you posted. This is just the tip of the spear.
If pot becomes legal, as it probably will, this place will reek of it. They are already getting bolder and bolder. The stench is in my halls and occasionally in my apartment from the pig bros downstairs. It is nauseating.
ReplyDeleteFebruary 24, 2019 at 4:04 PM said
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
I wonder if Cuomo and De Blasio had some sort of deal with Blackstone when they wooed Amazon? They all piss in the same pot. I think we are safer when the Mayor and the Gov are not speaking to each other. Each of them is corrupt and sleazy in his own right, but when the two of them concur on a deal, we are in big trouble.
Can't believe DeB is thinking of running for President! He would probably make Air Force One fly him to his gym in Park Slope every day. Lazy, arrogant PUTZ!!
Good point. The Amazon deal with Blackstone's chums DeBlasio and Cuomo certainly had something to do with the warehouse location just across the river.
Also the big news of the human trafficking bust in Jupiter Florida last week including Patriots owner Robert Kraft may have something to do with Amazon pulling out of the Cuomo - DeBlasio deal with the three unions since Flushing Queens is in the news as the New York area where the women in Jupiter Florida were trafficked through.
And the NFL headquarters is at the same address as Blackstone, 345 Park Avenue. The NFL and Blackstone are cut from the same cloth.
8:55 PM, Keith Powers is one of the most vile and obscenely corrupt politicians we have to endure today. He used to be a shill for REBNY, worked with the vile (and probably treasonous) Kushner and was paid mega bucks for pandering to those criminals. He is a piece of shit. He and that MMV (who is as ugly as she is evil) are the type of politicians that have always earned New York the reputation of being the most corrupt state in the Union.
ReplyDeleteBoss Tweed would have been orgasmic over these people!
Sty will soon be its own little "sin city." Prostitution is already thriving here (and I'm not talking about politicians accepting donations for favors); pot smoking abounds, drunks reel home every night and wake up people who actually work for a living or have children who have to go to school the next morning. Plenty of drug dealing going on (I know that for a FACT). How could turning the 5Turd E-Coli Cafe into a de facto bar make anything worse?
ReplyDeleteIf booze and pot are going to be acceptable on the property, nobody had better say a word to me when I light up a cigarette - indoors or outdoors. If anybody does, I will have just two words for them (and they're not Happy Birthday).
ReplyDeleteRegarding the selling of anything harder than soda, there are also city rules that state the distance between a park and such an establishment. Let us also not forget that I am not just referring to the children's park nearby, but the basketball park closer. In that park, children also play, and use the sprinklers during the summer.
ReplyDelete“I posted this at the TA FB page. Already the usual suspect cheerleaders are out in force. Waiting for the "move to" or "get a life' or "get a grip" lines.”
ReplyDeleteEd Dunn - The woman who responded to you has shown herself to be a real piece of work in most of her comments. Almost no matter what someone says, she makes some smarmy, obnoxious, contrary comment. She’s clearly a jerk. Try to ignore her. She’s not worth the time or the energy.
It's 30 degrees, windy and cold and we have no damned heat. Fuck these bastards to hell. Hayduk is a SLUMLORD.
ReplyDelete11:46. I sympathize with your lack of heat. I had the same issue for about a month, but fortunately my heat is better now with small lapses. For example it was off for a few hours but just came on. To get to my point, Hayduk is not the slumlord. Blackstone Company is. There is a distinct difference. Hatful does not control the heat. We can say that he is quick with answers and somewhat phony but the corporation is in charge, not him.
ReplyDelete"Peter Stuyvesant" reacting to a post at the TA Facebook page:
ReplyDelete>>...that is an unnecessarily negative comment. Please re-think and consider deleting.<<
LOL.
Peter Stuyvesant does that when the poster has not paid dues and is critical of their inaction. Childish and defensive.
DeleteBlackstone is the slumlord, not Hayduk for the hundredth time
ReplyDeleteRegarding that proposed license to sell wine and beer at our cafe. If you want beer and wine more affordable than it will be at the cafe, why not take your fat butt over to the numerous neighborhood stores that sell this stuff? Or do you like the "convenience" of drinking wine and beer not too far away from playgrounds, so you can burp and enjoy the view? Or do you want to join our bros, who will be delighted that when they are plastered downtown, they can come to Stuy Town and have a night cap--and then throw cans and bottles around the Oval?
ReplyDeleteThe TA makes it more and more obvious that it is an arm of Management. They don't give a damn about tenants. They know Management monitors that facebook page and they don't want posters to say anything that might ruffle Management's feathers. Don't know what they get out of it.
ReplyDeleteI remember when the Tenants Association was up in arms because MetLife put a soda vending machine near the Oval. Now Management is installing a boozer and the TA couldn't care less.
ReplyDeleteUPDATE!
ReplyDelete"Updated: 5 Stuy Café applies for wine and beer license (application withdrawn)"
Funny, zero mention in the article that the Cafe is a resident amenity, not a commercial enterprise, for residents and their guests only.
https://town-village.com/2019/02/26/5-stuy-cafe-applies-for-wine-and-beer-license/
>>Blackstone is the slumlord, not Hayduk for the hundredth time<<
ReplyDeleteYes, but Hayduk was not forced to accept this job. He, out of his own will, is Blackstone's chief representative here. He cannot avoid this responsibility.
I see the point but any manager would be bad
DeleteHayduk is the way that Blackstone causes tenants harm. Guilt by association. If you don’t want fleas, don’t lay down with dogs. If you do, expect to be judged by the company you keep. No one is forcing Hayduk to do Blackstone’s dirty work. If he had any decency, he wouldn’t do their vile bidding.
ReplyDeleteIf Hayduk was not manager, they would have one equally intent on furthering their agenda, maybe worse. Blackstone is not going to hire a manager that improves life here. They have their vile agenda and it doesn’t matter a rat’s tail who manages this property.
DeleteI agree, but my problem is that Hayduk fakes like he’s a nice guy. A people person. That is as far from the truth as there can be, and that is his doing, not Blackstones.
DeleteEd, that woman will usually tell you "if you lived in the country ...." She has to be oppositional no matter what anybody says. Very obnoxious.
ReplyDeleteEach time I pass the ice rink I see kids climbing over the walls in skates and knocking others down on the ice and into walls while screeching at top of their lungs. If I were their parents I would want an easily accessible cup of booze at the cafe just to cope. That is of course unless the rink has wine available- anyone know if booze being served inside that tent? Are parties there currently byob?
ReplyDeleteI stopped ice skating there because of the wild behavior of the kids. I was always afraid of being knocked over and I don’t need a broken bone at my age. It was a free for all there. This was going back two years ago. The workers did not control the rowdy skating behaviors.
DeleteIs anyone here REALLY, TRULY PAYING ATTENTION?
ReplyDeleteHow much worse does life need to be to wake up people? To persuade them to DO SOMETHING?
Complaining is fine. Venting can be healthful.
But we are moving, quite quickly, into circumstances which will hurt us beyond what any of us imagine.
Lack of heat can and does KILL people. Space heaters KILL people. Lack of sleep can lead to medical problems and accidents which can KILL people. The destruction of our buildings through their goddamned "renovations," which include OPEN KITCHENS for drunken, drug-addled jackasses (think: FIRE); pressure on brittle, corroding, rusting 70 year old water pipes through overuse, clogs, goddamned dishwashers, washing machines - hey, what the hell do you think is going to happen?
Someone intelligently questioned the effects of removal of bricks with their goddamned in-wall air conditioners.
Black mold has already been reported by a number of people.
Water coming through the pipes, at least in one reported case, caused infection.
The list goes on.
Encouraging cigarette smoking, marijuana (hashish, opium, who knows what the hell else?), in addition to the booze: ya like hundreds of chemicals and smoke in your lungs, on your clothes, coating your every object in your home?
Do you all like sitting on benches covered with invisible dog shit because so many, many selfish, moronic assholes put their feet up on the benches, their feet which walk in dog shit residue every day here?
There is much more, and the depraved Blackstone group here are upping it every day. And the human garbage that lives here in increasing numbers LOVES IT and takes full advantage of it. Even many oldsters, formerly intelligent and sane and courteous, now indulge in unhealthful, unhygienic, selfish practices.
And Blackstone ain't the beginning or end of it. How do you feel about living in the CONGESTION PRICING ZONE? Sounds good: pay to live in your own neighborhood because some sick politicians decided to further impoverish you?
It's been told to me that only people with starving children finally get up and say NO! That isn't all of the truth. People do get up and fight back when conditions are horrific, oppressive, dictatorial, punishing and on their way to total repression and parasitism.
Stand Up and Fight has been urging us to do just that. The time is coming when it might truly be too late. It isn't yet.
Great sentiments but the fighting methods that have been suggested here do not work without numbers and lawyers. Rent strikes for example are only effective in one building situations. If even 30(and that is a stretch) withold rent, it is a drop in the bucket with 11,000 or so apartments. Everyone knows it can easily lead to eviction. There is no real TA here. There is no protection for tenants. You can spout civil disobedience all you want, but it is not a viable option here.
Delete>>Is anyone here REALLY, TRULY PAYING ATTENTION?<<
ReplyDeleteI do, and sometimes it just gets too much. Then I have to take an emotional break. Few people are seeing what is happening around us, and not just in Stuy Town. Or, if they do see, they figure that they can't do anything, so why bother?
Do what? A large percentage of the tenants here are students, transients, and yes, city subsidized thrilled to be here. To be honest with you , now that my heat is more regular I would never jeopardize my apartment to join in any small protests. And I say small, that is all you are going to get here. Media coverage, maybe but I have not heard of any of the vocal protesters effectively going to the media and getting results.
DeleteWhat are your suggestions STR? I have gone to local politicians as I am sure you have. Only a few have even done that. Tenants who have called 311 have gotten no results. And don’t say rent strike because that is ludicrous in a development with 11,000 apartments owned by a corporation like Blackstone.
DeleteThe ice rink needs to be properly supervised or closed down. If they don't do something about it, someone will be badly hurt and they will have one hell of a lawsuit to contend with. AND a TON of bad publicity.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately we have that lame, useless, parasitic TA. That eliminates organization, lawyers and action.
ReplyDeleteSTR, so long as this City is full of and controlled by REBNY and the dirty politicians it owns, it will just get worse. The bribery and corruption infects every aspect of life in the City, from the overbuilding, money laundering, displacement of tenants, closing of small businesses and the filth and fumes we have to deal with on a daily basis. REBNY no long plays a positive role in the life of the City. It is a malignant cancer, metastasizing and killing the health and life of the City. The bought-and-paid for politicians are feeding that cancer like asbestos dust filling lungs. They are all choking us to death with their insatiable greed and moral bankruptcy.
ReplyDeletePCVST tenants are part of the collateral damage of the above-mentioned out-of-control disease.
I think there is a way to fight back, though if it brings real results is another issue, and probably doesn't in the current climate where money rules. Whatever one does, even if it is limited to bitching, is a positive. I have a few things planed (legal), but they will have to wait until it gets warmer.
ReplyDeleteBy the time it gets warmer we will no longer need heat, which is the major issue here. Once again, nice sentiments but have heard them before over and over.
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ReplyDeleteGET UP. GET UP AND GO OUT ONTO THE OVAL WITH BULLHORNS AND SIGNS. EVERY GODDAMNED DAY. IN GROWING NUMBERS.
And so?
DeleteThat will accomplish nothing
Delete>>By the time it gets warmer we will no longer need heat, which is the major issue here. Once again, nice sentiments but have heard them before over and over<<
ReplyDeleteDoesn't matter to me.
There will be no lawsuit concerning the ice rink. You agree to the posted rules i.e. no liability when you buy a wrist band. Every rink does this.
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