So here's some of what I saw in just one tour of the Oval walkway. What a disgrace.
Several dog crap smears, one near the garbage can and smaller ones beyond it.
Someone didn't pick up after their dog, no doubt a cute little pooch judging by the shit left behind. Right near the Greenmarket area, too. Enjoy your vegetables and artisanal cheese tomorrow!
More from the Greenmarket area. BTW, even though signs are posted at the Greenmarket stalls warning dog owners not to let their dogs near the food, dog owners still let their dogs sniff at the fruits, vegetables, artisanal cheeses, etc. Surely a health code violation, but who the hell cares.
No, it's not spilled tea.
Dogs love to piss against the stone block retaining walls around the Oval. Wherever you see a dark area on the wall, that's where the little (or big) pissers go to relieve themselves, causing a flow of urine to trail across the walkway.
Another trail of stain and pungency.
Near the guardhouse. It has to be some kind of spill. Has to be. I've yet to see a dog large enough to produce something like that. But--wait--are elephants allowed in STPCV?
I think the next logical step is to allow us human beings the same rights as dogs have to piss and crap around the Oval. I know some human pissing and crapping is already happening in the stairwells of STPCV buildings, but still...sometimes it's too much to hold it in before one gets to a building.
84 comments:
This is disgusting but the dogs can't be blamed. This problem is the fault of Tishman Speyer, CWCapital and the dog owners. First Tishman Speyer for letting the genie out of the bottle and allowing dogs. CWCapital for not having clearly marked dog/no dog areas and, last, the dog owners who think whizz is the new rain. Add this to the beer and vomit stains everywhere and this is the reason I leave my shoes at the front door.
IT'S ANDREW MACARTHURS RIVER OF NO RETURN!!!! BODILY FLUIDS AS FAR SS THE EYE CAN SEE! URINE IN THE STAIRWELLS BUVKETS OF VOMIT IN THE HALLWAYS AND NOW OL SWANNY RIVER IS FLOWING YELLOW AND FLOEING MIGHTY. DOES ANDREW MACARTHURS STREET LOOK LIKE THIS I WONDER? HE HAS THE NERVE TO CHARGE PEOPLE EXORBINANT AMOUNTS OF RENT THEN HAS THE AUDACITY TO COVER THIS PKAY IN BODILY FLUIDS OF DOGS AND COLLEGE KIDS? I NEED A HAZMAT SUIT JUST TO SIT ON A PARK BENCH. IS ANYONE WATCJING IS ANYONE LISTEMING HELP US HERE!!!!!!!
>>This is disgusting but the dogs can't be blamed<<
I blame Robbie Speyer, first and foremost.
It is legal for people to patronize any city greenmarket with a leashed dog. No health code violation STR. It is compassrocks responsibility to clean the walkways of vomit, litter, food spills, beverage spills, pet residue. Get on their case and ease up on the 99% of petowners who clean up properly.
I agree with you STR, 100%. What can we do though? The place is one big dog toilet and I don't see how it's going to change. I hope I can put up with it until I retire in a couple of years and get frig out of this cesspool. The low rent does help though. I've also stopped looking at this place as my home. It's just a place where I sleep now....not a home. It does make the shit and piss easier to tolerate. I walked out tonight and there was a stream of piss coming off the garbage can in front of my building. Thanks dog owners.
Blame CompassRock! They have equipment and personnel to maintain clean walkways and they fail to do so.
>>I've also stopped looking at this place as my home. It's just a place where I sleep now....not a home.<<
Sometimes I lapse into the same thinking, which I think is unfortunate. This place is hopeless as a dignified place for the middle class and will probably become more hopeless as the years go by. Eventually, and surely, all these buildings will be torn down for luxury high-rises. I still think, however, that we need to put up a fight, and a good one.
Not that what you posted is not right & down right rude, however instead of leaving it to fester because its not my job, why not have the workers who sweep up all the other garbage simply include these mishaps. Also perhaps the dogs at the cafe, are simply leaving their opinions.
STR, you sound so depressed. Lets hope things get better. If the tenants could buy it things might get better. I need to have some hope!
I've witnessed parents letting their children urinate in the bushes.
STR...can you please take the time to walk across 20th St, bring your camera and take a good look at how the grounds look around the small fountain. There is the complete story of what happens when you have a hundred plus dogs all pissing and crapping in the same area.
Reply to 8/31 10:38 PM:
I have lived here 30 years and will be leaving ASAP. One cannot seriously think of staying under these conditions. Aside from the dogs barking all the time from 7 AM to 1 Am, the more pressing issue are the kids who come in at all hours of the morning, inevitably waking up people who have to get up and go to work.
My rent is $1000 and change so it's hard to give up the apartment but to stay here is madness. If its this bad now, can you imagine it in 5 years?
I agree, the beginning of the end started when they allowed dogs and took down the chain link fences.
>>STR...can you please take the time to walk across 20th St, bring your camera and take a good look at how the grounds look around the small fountain. There is the complete story of what happens when you have a hundred plus dogs all pissing and crapping in the same area.<<
I've wanted to do this for the last two weeks, as I pass by that area frequently. Time constraints prevented me so far, but hopefully next week.
Unrelated. The elevator at 447 East 14th keeps trapping people in it and they refuse to take it out of service.
We could all pitch in and take photos with phones. I know I will. I hope Rob Speyer has sleepless nites for the rest of his rotten useless life.
I piss and shit on the walkways all the time. Shouldn't we afford our furry friends the same freedom? I say live and let live.
- V
>> There is the complete story of what happens when you have a hundred plus dogs all pissing and crapping in the same area.<<
Actually this photo essay "Slum Town 1 and 2" is vivid proof of property management ineptitude by COMPASSROCK. I see on the CompassRock website that Mr. Thomas V. Feeney is Director of Maintenance Operations here. Maybe Mr. Feeney can stand up at the next staff meeting and say I'm turning over a new leaf. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. Mr Feeney -- you have an army of gasoline-guzzling leafblowers on staff! And you have at least 1 sidewalk sweeper (a friendly chap) dutifully cleaning the paths to the Leasing Office daily ... Lets get this equipment and staff out to hose off the sidewalks at least once a week if not more. You can do it Mr Feeney YES YOU CAN! It's up to you!
I am a long time tenant and I'm not going to let these bloodsucking assholes drive me out! Fuck them to Hell.
"I piss and shit on the walkways all the time. Shouldn't we afford our furry friends the same freedom? I say live and let live.
- V"
V? Seriously.....V? Why don't you watch some more Hollywood dribble. That is, after you get another tattoo and pork pie hat. Did someone say lame?
I think V is being humorous.
Has our valiant councilman, Dan G, abandoned us? I think he could do a little more to make "management" deal with the problems, which are many and great, that we are experiencing here. The new influx of students is scary. I think we need to really show our disgust and refusal to put up with them by documenting and complaining to their colleges when they really behave badly. I'm sick of these idiots and have reached a point where I am ready to do whatever it takes to get my complaints heard and addressed. Would be nice if we had some support from our so-called representative in City Hall. I'm not going to vote this time around because they are all scum.
10:23 a.m. I think V is using what most of us recognize as dry humor. You probably want to think before you start lashing out at people.
Looks like someone spilled Zima everywhere? Or pie filling. I wouldnt weight around for someone to clean it up.
"The new influx of students is scary. I think we need to really show our disgust and refusal to put up with them by documenting and complaining to their colleges when they really behave badly. I'm sick of these idiots and have reached a point where I am ready to do whatever it takes to get my complaints heard and addressed."
Here's a link to the NYU page with contact info for the people to complain to: http://www.nyu.edu/life/living-at-nyu/on-campus-living/explore-the-residencehalls/Stuyvesant-Town.html
Just got home after a long day's work (some of us have work on Labor Day) and almost choked when I got off the elevator. The fucking skunk pot that my neighbors spew out of their apartment is overwhelming. Don't know if they are students or not. They are a young couple, but may or may not be students. I feel like calling the DEA!
I remember Zima. Never much cared for it. Made me bloated.
While we are at it with complaining about dogs, can we add something about parents who let their children whiz all over on those scooters - they are worse than the delivery people on bikes!
Has anyone posting on here moved out of Stuytown? My lease is up end of the month. I have heard horror stories of them charging you for the littlest of things. I have been here for 6 years so there has been some wear and tear but nothing out of the ordinary. Has anyone kept their security deposit as last month rent?
I hate Zima. It looks pleasant but the reality is its awful and should be avoided at all costs.
I have posted from time to time on this blog but mostly I just read it for the most recent info regarding the property. However, I have to say something regarding this topic. Due to the number of posts related to dogs over the past few years it is clear to me that STR is not particulary fond of dogs and that is absolutely fine and good.
The problem I have is that the issue is not the dogs, it is the type of renters that we have here in the complex. It is undisputed that college students now dominate the new tenants coming in and a good number of them have taken advantage of the pro dog policies of Mgmt. So it should be obvious that the transient early 20 something college student renter could not care less about leaving his/her dog's feces wherever the dog squats. It is an issue about the type of dog owner not the dog. The hallways, garbage rooms, laundry rooms are treated the same way as the outside grounds by these tenants. I would bet money that if dogs were allowed back when Met Life was in charge the problem would not be anywhere near as bad.
On a separate note, I have seen so many more people wandering the complex with suitcases than before. I have always seen these air bnb types but this past month it seems like the number of these people have quadroupled. This place is such a transient slum. I have lived here for only 2 years and my wife and I are desperately searching for a house out east to escape this dump.
Mover, Contact the TA. The link is in STRs blog roll. They had a list of charges you can expect. They were handing them out at the Roberts protests. Stuy Town WILL charge you crazy prices for small things. Exhibit A:
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/01/13/bigger_stuy_town_controversy_rent_increases_or_cleangate.php
Mover, See this too: https://www.facebook.com/PCVST/posts/473949522684205
There is major denial, maybe some conflict of interest as well, over at the TA FB page. It's all rather "lovely" here regarding our new Woo Hoo/Bro/OMG transient, non-lease compliant, tenant demographic, (which is designed to churn apartments and drive out anyone with a sense of community or empathy)despite massive evidence to the contrary. After all, it’s all our fault because we haven’t made the effort to know them.
I feel your pain. Don't surrender! If there is a mess in front of your building, don't sit idly by or take it sitting down. Call Service Dept and let them know the conditions in front of your building. Document it and call again and again. It is the property manager's responsibility to maintain the walkways of whatever filth exists. They seem intent to keep it leaf-free so why not press them to keep it debris-free as well.
STR...Too late. The area by the small fountain in PCV has been stripped and aerated and new plants & grass will be going in. Now what does this mean?
If showcasing PCV, this is the first area people see after passing by the guard house. Is CW finally getting close to a sale?
Whatever the case, given that we know that dog shit & dog piss definitely killed all the grass around the periphery, CW has 3 options:
1. Keep this area un-fenced off so dogs can continue to go there (and hope that the area don't turn into crap before bidding starts).
2. Keep it completely fenced off and discourage dog owners from using any areas at all within STPCV.
3. Come up with some innovative solutions that shuts up both dog owners & non-dog owners (good luck with that.)
There are laws in NYC about where dogs are allowed to go. They supposed to be curbed. The sidewalks are a no-no. What about the loops and the service roads? What about Peter Cooper Road (much of which is used just like a sidewalk). So far as I'm concerned, the sidewalks and the grassy areas should all be off limits. Where does the conversation go from there?
BTW, odds are better than 99 to 1 that every real estate party hungrily eyeballing STPCV reads this blog and all the others at least every other day.
STR-you really should do another post about this now that the PCV area is being cleaned.
Yes! If we only got know Megan and Topher, that would make a world of difference. We might find their shitting in the stairwells quaint or their shit covered skivvies in the bushes funny. Don't look at any of the photographic evidence or listen to any first hand accounts of the horrid things which take place here. Nothing wrong here! It's lovely! But I'm not a shill for the property and don't run a food company with ties to the green market so...
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU POST ON THE TA FACEBOOK PAGE!!! SOMEONE MY WIFE KNOWS IS SPYING ON OTHER TENANTS AND KEEPING FILES ON THEM. SHE'S A LAWYER AND IS PARANOID, IRRATIONAL AND DELUSIONAL. WATCH WHAT YOU SAY!!!
An update on what's happening in PCV.
Work in the grassy area in front of the fountain continues. The dog owners approach with their dogs and see...awwww, the favorite peeing spots are interrupted. And so they go to smaller open areas on the other side of the fountain & let their dogs pee there. So...now smaller areas getting lots of pee. Soon these areas will also be completely dead. Why the dog owners themselves don't see all this as disgusting and a serious matter of public sanitation is somehow beyond me.
And I also need to point out that there should be a dog run if they allow dogs. They tell potential renters that there will be one put in.
An ode to the canines of Stuy Town and their owners!
In days of olde
when knights were bold
and toilet bowls weren't invented
they laid their load
in the middle of the road
and walked away contented
"And I also need to point out that there should be a dog run if they allow dogs."
NO THERE SHOULDN'T. If you ever looked at a map of our community and walked it, you would see that the open spaces are all under someone's window--and dog runs are noisy. The exception is the Oval. Care to make a case for putting a dog run there? All over Manhattan people have to walk to a dog run--sometimes a couple of blocks, sometimes farther. Spoiled self-entitled dog owners can avail themselves of the dog runs in Stuyvesant Square Park, Madison Square Park (not listed on the resident website), and Tompkins Square Park.
This morning I saw the sidewalk in front of the old Chase bank on 23rd Street being pressure washed. This was a welcome sight as there was a lot of dog feces residue there.
Back in April 2012 one of the landscapers told me that the re-landscaping was due to end in 1 1/2 yrs. That would bring us to around Oct 2013. Hurricane Sandy was a big setback, but Stuy Town looks pretty much done now and I see a lot of activity all over PCV. So possibly some time in Nov is the target date.
All of you who think that there should be a dog run on the property, how about we put it outside YOUR building right underneath YOUR window. Like to hear what you think of this brilliant idea then!
"The problem I have is that the issue is not the dogs, it is the type of renters that we have here in the complex. It is undisputed that college students now dominate the new tenants coming in and a good number of them have taken advantage of the pro dog policies of Mgmt. So it should be obvious that the transient early 20 something college student renter could not care less about leaving his/her dog's feces wherever the dog squats. It is an issue about the type of dog owner not the dog. The hallways, garbage rooms, laundry rooms are treated the same way as the outside grounds by these tenants. I would bet money that if dogs were allowed back when Met Life was in charge the problem would not be anywhere near as bad."
Couldn't disagree more. I've personally witnessed very senior residents of this complex not only let their dogs shit on plantings, but not pick it up.
If they try to install a dog run here, they will be looking at a whole lot of trouble. The tenants here will not stand for it. Who the hell wants to be forced to listen to a bunch of barking dogs for 5 minutes, let alone for hours. Besides, I don't think that NYC law permits it.
MORE stepping in doody, MORE of the "WEED WORLD EDIBLES" van constantly in the Avenue C loop, MORE planting of wilted, dead plants after they sat in the staging area by 285 for weeks in the sun in their pots, MORE leaf blowing at 7 am to make sure nobody sleeps in, MORE screaming groups of 8 semi-naked hos running after a taxi at 2 am in PC Road, MORE, MORE, MORE!
And where would this dog run be? Anyone who has walked past a dog run knows that it's 1) noisy and 2) smelly. Not in my backyard! (A reference to CWCapital's ad campaign using "backyard" for the non-building spaces of STPCV.)
I certainly can confirm that older residents who own dogs are some of the biggest culprits when it comes to ignoring the dog rules.
Open spaces under tenants windows? It didn't stop them from holding events, or hosting brat singalongs, or any other of the noisy shit they torture us with. Dog runs ate the least of our troubles.
Dogs don't bark constantly in a dog run. Unlike children who scream constantly in playgrounds. The leasing office has to stop telling people there will be a dog run. They need to stop lying.
This persistent negative and biased profiling of dog owners as one monolithic group is creating hostility between neighbors. And solving nothing. There are reportedly 1,000 dogs registered in ST PCV. The vast majority of dog owners follow the posted rules. The few knuckleheads who do not are not the norm but rather they are outliers. Dog owners have fewer access to STPCV amenities than all other residents. So enjoy the paths and seating areas that are not accessible to pet owners and call maintenance if you spot any stains so they can hose it down. Call Public Safety if you see violations of any kind underway. Dogs are loved by thousands of people in Stuytown and bring comfort and joy to the seniors and children here. Lighten up! Pet a dog -- and smile!
I feel this blog is constantly directed at attacking dogs. It used to be informative, but this is becoming unproductive.
And perhaps you should investigate why agents tell potential renters they are putting in a dog run?
OK. So there is a dog problem here. The idea of a dog run is ludicrous. As has already been pointed out, no one will want the dog run in front of their place...with damn good reason. So...check this out:
Section 161.03 of the New York City Health Code:
"A person who owns, possesses or controls a dog, cat or other animal shall not permit the animal to commit a nuisance on a sidewalk of any public place, on a floor, wall, stairway or roof of any public or private premises used in common by the public, or on a fence, wall or stairway of a building abutting on a public place."
Dog owners are not allowed to let the dogs piss and crap on the sidewalks. Yet that's where all the dogs go. Right on the sidewalks. Doesn't matter that the dog owners clean up afterward. It's illegal to let them crap on the sidewalk in the first place.
What makes dog owners here feel they must not follow NYC laws? The fact that they are hidden from plain sight.
Dept of sanitation workers can issue tickets to dog owners. And the city is dying for any sources of revenue. So I will get in touch with the dept of sanitation & tell them that if they want to rake it in, just send someone in ST and PCV from 4pm-7pm and they will have a ball issuing tickets. I suggest that all of you also get in touch with the dept of sanitation. The more people they hear from, the surer they will feel that the money is here for the taking.
CW isn't going to do anything for you. Here. Give this a try:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/html/contact/requests_canine.shtml
Maybe it's time for a return to the Pilgrims' practice of social shaming. See someone letting their dog crap on a public walkway & not pick it up? Shame them. No need to engage the offender, just make them too embarrassed to ever do it again. This works for all violations from littering to sidewalk bike riding. Public humiliation is a very effective tool, don't be afraid to use it.
I can't believe these turkeys are still sending us those ads to get a $500 gift certificate to bring a victim in to this place! I don't know anybody who would want to pay top dollar to live in a dump like this that is infested with students.
Used to be that when I told people I lived in Stuyvesant Town I would get looks and comments of sheer envy. Now, it's pity! Word has got around about this place and it's not anything CW/CR should be proud of.
"The leasing office has to stop telling people there will be a dog run. They need to stop lying."In the scheme of things, this is truly among the least of their many, many lies.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/html/contact/requests_canine.shtml
Thanks for this--very useful.
Students shit more in the bushes than the dogs!!!! AND they vomit everywhere all weekend long! I'll take dogs over vile and disgusting students stacked 20 to a dorm like a slum any day!!!!! Ban students not dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>Dog runs are the least of our troubles.<<
A well-maintained dog run would be welcome compared to the crowds and loud music from the commercial ice rink that operates under my window 5 months/year... or the commercial hockey school with crowds, barking coaches, and screaming parents of toddlers that operates 7 months/year under my window. (Btw, thanks for nothing, Councilman G and STPCV TA.)
Anon 11:23, how do you publically shame an offending dog owner without engaging them?
Off topic, I know, but has anyone else lost service on their Verizon copper wire phone?
STR wrote, "...The minimalist landscaping is a joke, revealing the project-like environment we live in wherever one looks..." I agree sadly. This morning I walked past the "crescent garden" and was struck by how uninspired the landscape is now. It has the look- and-feel of a Lowe's Garden Center plant nursery ... Random bushes and shrubs clumped and deposited in no particular design concept with zero impact. Add to it the charming one-cut-above black chicken wire fencing and you get a suburban box store garden nursery center. I guess this is how it's done in Denver or Aurora Colorado, world headquarters of CompassRock.
Isn't it amazing that dog owners can look at the pics that STR posted and feel that it's perfectly acceptable and desirable to live in an environment like that?
I just wish they didn't have to drag down all the residents who prefer to live in a sanitary environment with them.
"Anonymous said...
Students shit more in the bushes than the dogs!!!! AND they vomit everywhere all weekend long! I'll take dogs over vile and disgusting students stacked 20 to a dorm like a slum any day!!!!! Ban students not dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
As I understand you haven't been living here that long, there was a time when both were banned. Let's revisit that time.
Reply to Friday 5:59 pm post: Where do you read on this thread that dog owners "condone" what appears in STRs photos? How dare you suggest responsible dog owners find this "perfectly acceptable or desirable"? You twist others posts here into ongoing biased dog-hating hostility and meanwhile accomplish nothing! FACT: It is illegal to not clean up after your dog. FACT: There are a rotten selfish ignorant few ruining it for everyone else. FACT: the law requires property owners to clean sidewalks of this unsanitary mess. Solution: Get on Management's case! Call 212-420-5000 and complain then call 311. Then call Dan Garodnick, 212-818-0580; and the Tenants Association Message Center 866-290-9036. Demand clean sidewalks.
Lately I've taken the time to observe the dog owners closely, and they are really in an entirely different world than the non-owners. They cheerfully amble along letting the male fidos pull them to mark every other tree and trash basket until fido finally takes a crap on the sidewalk. Then they scoop it & go home. The female fidos can stop at any moment and just pee in the middle of the sidewalk. Yes, the owners don't care about sanitation but they so much don't care, their minds are a million miles away from even being remotely aware someone might think all the peeing & defecation disgusting.
I used the link: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/html/contact/requests_canine.shtml
and filed a complaint.
Even Gutterman is admitting the student population is taxing the infrastructure of the buildings and driving down the value of the property. Get them out of here. They are ruining the the whole city.
Nice big road pizza outside 283 Avenue C on the Loop sidewalk.
I have no probs with the dogs, the fucking filthy students: they are a problem.
Is Verizon fucking us over just like the landlord? B
No
Landline or dal service for 3 days.
"FACT: There are a rotten selfish ignorant few ruining it for everyone else."
It's not a few, it's a lot, and some of them come from outside the property because they know they can.
"FACT: the law requires property owners to clean sidewalks of this unsanitary mess. Solution: Get on Management's case! Call 212-420-5000 and complain then call 311. Then call Dan Garodnick, 212-818-0580; and the Tenants Association Message Center 866-290-9036. Demand clean sidewalks."
The law requires owners or retail tenants to keep the sidewalks clean, but with the number of dogs we have, we'd need a worker stationed every few feet.
What exactly do you expect Dan or the TA to do? It's Management's job to enforce the rules. And every one of us should speak up when we see someone abusing the property. If the person is from the outside, tell them they're not welcome here.
Today's example: I see a young guy let his dog pee on the walkway. I tell him that that's not acceptable and he has to curb his dog. He tells me it's a puppy, and he's training it (he gave it a treat after it peed!). I tell him he should carry the dog to the gutter.
FACT: you are NOT allowed to let your dog crap and piss on the sidewalks anywhere in NYC. So says the law.
Verizon is fucking us over because they want us all on Fios. I will switch to a cable company next week.
Are these assholes supposed to be doing renovations at 8 pm on a Sunday
My phone and DSL are still not working. Thank you Verizon. You are being replaced by Time Warner on Wednesday. Good riddance.
Anybody heard anything about the (non-Fios) service outage that is affecting parts of Sty Town?
My old school, copper wire, Verizon land line is OK, 14th street address. Is this outage in a particular area of ST?
With all the chemicals they are using to polish the brass on the elevators & lobby- we could soon look real good!!! Oh wait, I forgot- we never painted the hallways.The walls are a mess & filthy. But boy do we have nice , bright brass. Yes! LIKE PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG !! Who is making these decisions????
6:51pm sept 12: I think there is a scattered outage of Verizon copper wire service in Sty Town. I am one of the unlucky ones!
"6:51pm sept 12: I think there is a scattered outage of Verizon copper wire service in Sty Town. I am one of the unlucky ones!"
So am I and I heard the bastards don't plan to fix it until sometime next week, if at all. They want everybody on FIOS. I'll switch to Time Warner or RCN.
Way more bang for your buck with RCN than Time Warner. Seriously, RCN gets most improved award; TWC is only worthwhile for the 1 or 2 years of introductory pricing, afterwards it goes through the roof! Also, constantly rebooting to correct internet glitches. Nope, I'm much, much happier with RCN. Seems like they, at least, learn from their past mistakes.
Agree. Go with RCN. Have had virtually no problems with them for years. I dumped Verizon phone service a long time ago and never looked back. Saved money by bundling services with RCN, too. Not as cheap as it used to be, but still cheaper than paying Verizon.
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