Now I know where the expression comes from.
I don't live at the Oval, but going outside, I see that when the weather is good and the people are out (and there are more and more people, thousands more in this community), the place can get too much, even for me. I see infractions constantly, like a bicycle being ridden around the Oval and a PS officer looking right at it/him and not a word was said. I guess he didn't want to be bothered.
And there is garbage all over the place, including my building. That no one cares seems at times to be an understatement.
I passed by Oval Cafe. The guy playing (at a microphone, no less) must have driven people away, judging by the music he was playing and "singing."
In case the above is hard to read, know that Management really does want a circus, and almost every day you will get an "event." Blackstone must be so proud.
Update 6/3/2018: I'm looking at the above photo and looking. Is this photoshopped? A fake?
Update to update:Yes, A FAKE! Not to say that "creatively" removing this, adding that was not done, but the photo is not a vision of things as "is," but a FAKE.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 287 of 287Has Peter Stuyvesant/TA co-opted Keith Powers (or vice versa)? Peter Stuyvesant seems quite bent out of shape because the meeting with Powers is open to all. The TA does absolutely NOTHING for tenants, but they don't want tenants going elsewhere to seek help. The TA should just go away. I would happily join and pay dues to a newly formed TA, but the not the current one.
The apartments look nice but once you move in the nightmare begins. If you're deaf or hard of hearing you might be fine but the rent is high and the place is a junkyard.
Peter Stuyvesant is panicking. People are pissed and finally acting on this crap, and the TA is doing absolutely nothing, other than trying to obstruct us.
Move aside Susan and crew, your time is up. Also, open your damn books already.
Is the TA so clueless that it doesn't know how bad "Peter Stuyvesant" is making it look? Adam Rose is exactly right. The TA should have set up this meeting with Keith Powers on behalf of affected tenants. It's not like the TA doesn't know how disruptive and unwelcome the noisy events in the Oval are. There have been complaints about this for years. Love how another tenant told "Peter" that he was just digging a deeper hole for him/herself and the TA by going on about the meeting with Keith. Thankfully, after that, "Peter Stuyvesant" finally shut up.
Keep in mind that Keith Powers, like his predecessor, is owned (body and soul) by REBNY. All of NYC pols are owned by REBNY. Garodnick appeared to be very tenant-friendly at first, but his owners must have warned him and so he became very tenant-UNfriendly.
Btw, I just checked the comments on the Cruising for Renters article in the NYT and I see that someone has posted that PCVST was NYCHA property in the '50s. I don't know whether or not that is true (I wasn't even born then), but I don't think Management is going to be too thrilled to read that. It is very close to being akin to a NYCHA property now, but I believe that when MetLife owned it, it was a very desirable place to live. It probably looked like a NYCHA property then because there couldn't have been any mature trees, but it eventually became an absolutely beautiful property as the trees matured. Sadly, Blackstone is destroying all that became and taking it to back to a very NYCHA-looking property. At least the NYCHA properties are protected by the NYPD. We do not have that protection and our on-property Public Safety department is just about useless these days.
https://therealdeal.com/2018/06/02/stuy-towns-new-ahead-of-the-game-yet-strange-marketing-strategy/
The truck cost $150,000 initially and $100,000 a month since?? And absolutely nothing to show for it other than a “cool factor?” Rick, hate to break it to you, absolutely nobody thinks the truck is cool. You’ve been fooled.
"Cool" based on what? Out of towners? As a New Yorker, this truck is definitely not cool. An embarrassment and very "square." Dig it?
An item from the Daily News, October 13, 1961:
"Denouncing the 'lack of police protection,' 600 residents of Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village last night formed a permanent 'special committee' to guard the 35,000 persons living in the East Side developments owned by the Metropolitan Life Insurance Co."
600? That number is so much larger than what turned up at a protest at the new owners' leasing office, which was a failure due to very low numbers.
Bad press for the TA continues. On the Tenants FB page (not the TA page) someone posted that they tried to post a link on the TA page about the Stuy Town 101 year old tenant who was a victim of elder abuse on the property, and Peter Stuyvesant wouldn’t approve it.
What in the hell is wrong with these people? They are just as heartless as the person who committed these acts by not posting a way we can help. All the TA board is going straight to hell.
The truck cost $150,000 initially and $100,000 a month since??
That is NOT what The NY Times article says. The article says this:
As ad buys go, StuyTown’s special truck seems relatively inexpensive. The truck and its renovation cost about $150,000, though that doesn’t include the salaries of the driver and leasing agent, Mr. Vohs said, adding that a billboard might run $100,000 per month.
Vohs is saying that a regular billboard would cost a lot more than this truck is costing. Even so, now you know why they have to nickel and dime tenants for everything, charging high prices for replaceing lightbulbs, lock-out fees, etc., which they have now made themselves hated for. It’s so they can waste our money trying to lure in more of the kind of tenants that we don’t need here: spoiled, entitled, clueless, ill-behaved, noisy, inconsiderate. Thanks for nothing Rick. Why don’t you and Kelly and all your other Boca Raton employees go back to where you came from. You are all a menace to the respectfull tenants who live here but have little or no power to protect themselves from your constant plottings to destroy our quality of life.
The real deal article clearly states that the truck has cost $100k a month.
Rick Hayduk thinks this truck conveys the "cool" factor of Stuyvesant Town. What planet do these idiots, Hayduk and Vohs, come from? Have they been around so many senile old people in Boca that they, themselves, have lost touch with reality.
That truck screams DESPERATION!!! Go back to Boca, Rick. You and your kind are out of your element and out of your league in New York. Just seeing the sloppy, unprofessional way you run this place with your no-enforcement of rules policy and your cheesy, hokey "entertainment" efforts, speaks volumes about what your level of management is. Just go away. Please. Oh, and take the "Tenants Association" with you! Their Use By date expired a long time ago! They would probably be happy in Boca with the level of sophistication and competence you display.
"Thanks for nothing Rick. Why don’t you and Kelly and all your other Boca Raton employees go back to where you came from."
Who is Kelly?
"The truck has been in service since late April at a monthly cost of about $100,000 and, though it hasn’t been proven to generate any new leases so far, StuyTown’s chief operating officer Kelly Vohs says the boost to the development’s reputation has already been worth the expense."
From the Real Deal and, I assume, the NY Times.
Again, I think this truck is stupid, stupid, stupid!
BTW, I'm looking at the photo of this movie showing that's on the main page, and I am wondering: Is the photo fake? Something is not right....
Have you seen a sky like this? And some of the buildings missing? And most of the apartment lights turned on? Also, one woman is standing but she is cut off by the screen where she should be in front of it, and fully visible.
I call a fake.
https://resources.stuytown.com/Image/1400/400/76/Collateral/Photos/MovieNight1_299(3).jpg?x=50&y=50
This is Stand Up and Fight on Sunday Afternoon:
I agree with the observation:
"Keep in mind that Keith Powers, like his predecessor, is owned (body and soul) by REBNY. All of NYC pols are owned by REBNY. Garodnick appeared to be very tenant-friendly at first, but his owners must have warned him and so he became very tenant-UNfriendly." at 7:35 P.M. yesterday.
He needs to be reminded, perhaps, who elected him, and his Oath of Office.
From: Oath of Office - City Clerk's Office - NYC.gov:
www.cityclerk.nyc.gov/html/services/oath.shtml
"When you file an Oath of Office, you swear to support and uphold the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the State of New York, and the Charter of the City of New York.
"You also pledge to faithfully discharge the duties to which you have been elected, appointed, or hired to execute."
An examination of the 2 cited constitutions and 1 charter will, I'm sure, yield some explicit responsibilities of the good Councilman.
Meanwhile, I continue to seek others to Stand Up and Fight. "The other fellow will do it" will result in very few "fellows" who defend our right to a home, physical and mental/emotional peace, and unmolested immune systems.
Again, please strongly consider getting in touch: quietenjoymentnow@gmail.com
- a quiet and undisturbed evening to all of you.
If tenants would stop paying dues the TA would dissolve. You are in effect paying dues to management.
"The truck has been in service since late April at a monthly cost of about $100,000 and, though it hasn’t been proven to generate any new leases so far, StuyTown’s chief operating officer Kelly Vohs says the boost to the development’s reputation has already been worth the expense."
From the Real Deal and, I assume, the NY Times.
Haven’t read the Real Deal article, but The NY Times article did NOT say that the truck cost $100,000 a month. I certainly hope that they are not spending $100,000 a month on this truck. That would be beyond outrageous.
Based on the over 25 negative comments on the NYTimes article on that stupid truth, I wish that the Times would do an investigative report on this dump.
Based on the over 25 negative comments on the NYTimes article on that stupid truth, I wish that the Times would do an investigative report on this dump.
I agree. If the NY Times is going to print a PR piece like this and give Blackstone so much free publicity, it should dig deeper and find out the TRUTH about what really goes on here.
Am I the only one anxiously awaiting the next boneheaded comment from Peter Stuyvesant? Peter Stuyvesant willl be unveiled, it’s pretty obvious many tech savvy people can figure out who it is.
The real question is going to be whether Peter Stuyvesant has ever posted from a management computer. Thank god for ip’s
DeBlasio made a dirty deal here
As the program has grown, paying tenants have complained with increasing frequency of their landlords pushing them out to make shelter money.
As the program has grown, paying tenants have complained with increasing frequency of their landlords pushing them out to make shelter money.
http://gothamist.com/2017/06/29/cluster_site_rent_stabilized.php
DeBlasio is helping landlords remove rent stabilized apartments so the landlords make more money
Thousands Of Rent-Stabilized Apartments At Risk As NYC Phases Out Controversial Homeless Shelter Program
BY NATHAN TEMPEY IN NEWS ON JUN 29, 2017 12:12 PM
As many as 3,000 rent-stabilized apartments could be deregulated as the city phases out the notoriously dysfunctional cluster site homeless shelter program.
Created in 2000 as a stopgap measure, the cluster program places homeless families in private apartments, but as shelter residents, not tenants. As the program grew to include over 300 buildings and over 3,000 apartments, the city increased the rates it paid landlords and nonprofits, even as the buildings deteriorated and social services were slow in coming.
By 2015, when the Department of Investigation released a report calling clusters the worst-maintained, least-monitored type of shelters, the city was paying landlords and nonprofits $2,451 a month on average per unit. Because cluster site shelters are overwhelmingly in poor and working-class neighborhoods, that figure was more than double the average rent the apartments would have fetched on the market.
As the program has grown, paying tenants have complained with increasing frequency of their landlords pushing them out to make shelter money.
Early last year, Mayor de Blasio announced he was going to phase out the cluster site scheme by 2018. He has since extended the deadline to 2021, but in May the mayor touted the removal of more than 800 apartments from the program, saying, "Our homeless families deserve better and we will continue to take aggressive action in closing down the remaining sites and replacing them with better, safer shelters to help them get back on their feet and into permanent housing."
There's a wrinkle, though. Data obtained by Gothamist shows that of 3,300 cluster apartments in use at one point in fiscal year 2016, 3,167 were in rent-stabilized buildings. A combination of lax state oversight and landlord-friendly carveouts in the rent laws could make such apartments ripe for deregulation as the city pulls out. And responses to public records requests by the relevant city and state agencies suggest that despite the mayor's plan to create and preserve 200,000 below-market apartments by 2024, little has been done so far to prevent this.
There are more comments on the NYT puff piece. 33 last time I looked and all of them negative. I'm surprised that a Management troll hasn't gone over there and told the world that the quality of life and value for money here is just beyond superb and that the posters are curmudgeonly malcontents.
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Again - the meeting with Keith Powers is tomorrow, Tuesday, June 5 at 10:30 at his 43rd Street office.
I will post again later.
It will help if I could obtain some idea of how many of us will be there.
quietenjoymentnow@gmail.com is the e-mail address. Your information will not be shared by me.
Please let me know HERE, on this blog, or at the e-mail address, if you will come to Stand Up and Fight
Peter Stuyvesant = John Marsh
"Peter Stuyvesant = John Marsh"
I don't think so. John Marsh isn't on the TA Board anymore and I believe he is just an occasional poster. He usually posts in connection with political matters (RGB and rent laws). When he was the moderator he was very prissy and school-marmish. He would give people "red badges" and suspensions. Total PITA. If somebody writes a cuss word and he sees it, he calls out for "Peter Stuyvesant" to take action. Bit of a control freak. I'm sure he's a very good person, but he's too prissy and pesty to be a good moderator when adults are posting. I can understand objections to out-and-out obscenity, but he goes overboard.
I will be there at the meeting tomorrow. I am an Oval resident.
June 4, 2018 at 7:08 PM "I'm sure he's a very good person
You sure about that? As someone who has been lied to and lied about by him, there is no possible way in any stretch of the imagination to call him a "very good person"
I really do hope that Keith Powers steps up to the plate. He made a big enough nuisance of himself when he was campaigning. He was in everybody's face all the time and his campaign workers were roaming the buildings all the time. He was too aggressive for my liking. Let's see if he's going to turn into a shrinking violet when it comes to standing up to management on our behalf.
THIS IS STAND UP AND FIGHT:
Only three of us were there - myself and two others. A poor showing, yet not unexpected.
Keith and his staff were gracious and friendly.
He has regular meetings with "Management;" I believe this Thursday is his next one.
He stated that he will bring up the Oval "events" with them, cautioning that their stock answer is, "the community (RESIDENTS) wants them, likes them."
I was unmoved. They are breaking their contracts with us, the lease, when they deprive us of the RIGHT to QUIET ENJOYMENT.
Keith promised to get back on this issue within a week to a week and a half.
As they say, more will be revealed.
Have a good, quiet evening,
STAND UP AND FIGHT
>>He stated that he will bring up the Oval "events" with them, cautioning that their stock answer is, "the community (RESIDENTS) wants them, likes them."<<
Sure. The majority of residents here, between 25,000 and 30,000. That's why so many have to be turned away as they near the Oval.
Now what I see: A couple of hundred, at most, attend these events. But even that is not the question. Let's say that ten elephants were at the Oval. Is it legal? Does their presence go against the law? The lease?
The community did just fine without these stupid oval events for 70 years. I want Rick to move out of his nice quiet building in PCV and into an oval apartment right next to the fun. As a matter of fact, all the staff who lives here should be housed facing the oval. Oh that’s right, they enjoy their peace and quiet while others suffer.
All these “hip and cool events” are starting to get to Rick’s head, and I’m sure the deflation is starting to kick in with the 30+ negative comments in The NY Times regarding his silly truck.
Rick, most people HATE THESE EVENTS!
It's harassment. PURE AND SIMPLE!
DON'T YOU GET IT ALREADY!?!
Wondering if they had the movies tonight. Did not hear anything? So disappointing that only 3 residents showed up at the meeting with our councilman. Cannot achieve much without numbers.
He stated that he will bring up the Oval "events" with them, cautioning that their stock answer is, "the community (RESIDENTS) wants them, likes them."
A tenant’s right to the quiet enjoyment of his/her home TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER what other residents want and like. It’s that simple. Sadly, it sounds to me like Powers doesn’t have the balls to go toe to toe with management on this issue.
The so-called "TA" has meetings with Rick on a regular basis (or so I'm told). The TA doesn't advocate for us and I don't expect much of Powers. I'm guessing that the handful of people who actually attend these events will keep on doing so until their rent goes up and then the suckers will move out and a new bunch of suckers will move in. I think we can only hope that it rains on those Oval nights.
>>Cannot achieve much without numbers.<<
Yes and no. Yes, the more, the merrier, but numbers by itself won't do much. Think of that time when the ENTIRE complex was surrounded by numbers, with a holding of heads, for affordable housing. Didn't do much, did it?
Numbers will get you into the news, but then something else takes over. The money factor.
My opinion still holds: The only way to do this is through the city and state and/or federal laws. But to get the city to listen and act is a whole new ballgame. And didn't the City Council give itself a hefty raise? For sure, Garodnick voted yes.
So we are screwed, unless we can get the city to act and be persistent about it.
Politicians put dorms and airbnb in StuyTown. If we expect politicians to do anything more than gratuitous about noise, poor quality of life we are fools. They may do enough to get a headline of helping tenants (eg Crowley/Schneiderman Queens panel)
Cuomo has allies, including Blackstone placed in jobs to benefit themselves from utilities boards to mortgage industry to dorms in StuyTown. All NY politicians are invested in StuyTown dorms.
Blackstone's Mulrow ran housing, Cuomo staff and Cuomo campaign. Blackstone mistreats tenants and the property just like predecessors have.
Cuomo longtime ally Glaser exemplifies the gaming the system arrangement from conflicting work with mortgage industry to airport overhauls. He even got a sketchy balloon mortgage loan a la Percoco (now found guilty for corruption Percoco)
https://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-local/article/Second-former-top-Cuomo-official-Howard-Glaser-8399726.php
Cuomo placed Glaser as consultant on mortgage industry investigations in 2007 same time mortgage industry paid Glaser for consultant work.
http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/timeline-cuomo-glaser
Glaser offspring has a lease in infamous 270 First Avenue, same StuyTown building Trump Secretary of Commerce lists as home address of $170 million Bulk Lease dorm operation.
Trump, Cuomo, Glaser, all benefit from 270 First Avenue StuyTown Blackstone dorm Bulk Lease. Keith Powers is Vallone guy who lobbied for Trump Soho.
Another example of Blackstone and Cuomo placing themselves in lucrative positions gaming the system:
"Cuomo allies sit on boards of utilities regulated by the state
By MARIE J. FRENCH 05/08/2018 05:03 AM EDT
ALBANY Some of Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s close political allies, including his current campaign chairman, serve on the boards controlling two of the state’s largest investor-owned utilities as the governor’s administration pursues a wholesale reshaping of the energy industry.
Bill Mulrow, who has been chairman of Cuomo’s reelection campaign since April 2017, joined the board of Con Edison Inc. in November. Mulrow, the former top aide to the governor, is subject to a two-year lobbying ban and is prohibited from discussing policy issues with any member of state government.
For some advocates, the presence of Cuomo’s allies on utility boards showcases an inappropriate relationship between the regulator and the regulated.
Cozy relationships between major utility companies in New York and the governor are preventing true transparency and fair process when it comes to the decisions around energy costs, renewable energy programs, energy efficiency policy, and more,” said Ignacio Acevedo, a lead organizer with Nobody Leaves Mid-Hudson, a community organization that is part of the Energy Democracy Alliance, a coalition of community groups that led the push for a "People’s Commissioner" on the Public Service Commission the governor controls.
“This has got to stop,” he said."
Cozy relationships between Blackstone and Cuomo have to stop too. Keith Powers is not going to do anything that Blackstone and Cuomo do not want done.
Here is the timeline of events that led to the 270 StuyTown Dorm by two key politicians and a top aide all who benefit greatly from dorms in StuyTown and gaming the system.
The American public knows the investigations into the mortgage industry was a big fake-out that benefited banks. 270 First Avenue Bulk Lease Dorms is the same M.O. by politicians getting richer with their friends and allies while the public suffers and loses.
Timeline: The Long History of Howard Glaser and Andrew Cuomo
http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/timeline-cuomo-glaser
Why doesn’t Rick do one of his famous surveys regarding these oval events? It’s not hard to break it down by where people live, so why not get a real picture of how people feel about the events, especially the people who live facing the oval.
A few things:
1) Did Rick and his team canvas the events themselves to ask people if they like the events? Of course people who are at the events are going to say they like the events!
2) Do they really think people are going to say they don’t like the events directly to the faces of people in management? Come on. Most people just don’t have it in them to confront people in situations like that, even if it means going against how they really feel.
3) Powers comment about what management says is all I need to know. He is not going to fight for us. If so much as one tenant showed up to complain about these oval travesties, he should be fighting. The fact that he prefaced with why management won’t listen just shows that he isn’t going to fight and we should be prepared for 3.5 more years of nothing but REBNY talking points from him.
What’s actually needed is an anonymous survey that people can drop in the suggestion boxes, this way people can tell how they really feel without being worried about retribution from management, which is another reason people don’t speak up.
I have no faith in Powers. He may present himself as someone who listens, but that is just a pose that all politicians do. Yes, if these events really bothered him and/or he was concerned about the people who live at the Oval, he would do something without any "numbers." The fact that he is already passing the buck indicates where he stands.
Surveys are a waste with Blackstone. I have already filled out 3 in which I complained about the concerts and other things. Even if they sent out a specific vote, there are so many students and transients here who would just put down yes because they don’t care.
It didn’t take long for Powers to pick up where Garodnick left off and abandon the community he vowed to fight for. Like Garodnick, he has no shame living on the property and looking tenants in the eyes and tell them he’s going to fight for them, and then say things like this.
I hope he enjoys the rest of his term, because he’s as good as gone if he continues at this pace.
Surveys are a joke. Blackstone sends them out every now and then. They ignore them.
"Bill Mulrow, who has been chairman of Cuomo’s reelection campaign since April 2017, joined the board of Con Edison Inc. in November."
Blackstone is on the Board of ConEd Inc and ConEd Inc is responsible for the remediation that was supposed to happen before any excavation took place releasing toxins like the toxins at the bunker excavation that was released into the air and windows of all the tenants in the buildings around that excavation. ConEd did the report even saying that remediation MUST take place BEFORE any excavation. DOB and name on DOB permits for bunker excavation is Fred Knapp. The cover up underway is massive to discredit tenants who reported the excavation.
STR, you paint a very grim picture. Looks like we just have to put up with Blackstone or move. I still don’t think that it is a bad idea to meet with our politicians. You offer no other solutions.
I knew Powers wouldn't be in any way helpful. He's another Garodnick - slick and slimy and owned by REBNY. So glad I did not vote for him. If he runs for a second term, I will volunteer with his opponent. So will my daughter and son. My son came close to telling him to fuck off when Powers was pestering people outside Associated. He was a total pest to everyone who was trying to go about their business. Garodnick wasn't that aggressive.
People should check out the Stuy Town Instagram page. They posted an above shot of the property, and one woman posted this gushing comment that is part of the problem. Rick and his team see this, and they are “blushing” because a 42 year old woman that was born and raised here, and still lives in the same apartment she was born in thinks the place is better than ever.
This is what Rick and crew eat up. What she doesn’t realize is that Rick and crew can’t wait for her to get the hell out of here because she is paying next to nothing in rent.
Maybe that’s what we need to do.... have all the RS tenants gush about how great these events are and say we are never leaving as long as they keep holding these great events. Bet they would be gone in a heartbeat!
"Politicians put dorms and airbnb in StuyTown. If we expect politicians to do anything more than gratuitous about noise, poor quality of life we are fools. They may do enough to get a headline of helping tenants (eg Crowley/Schneiderman Queens panel)"
So what is your solution, assume the fetal position, suck your thumb and do nothing?
“Glaser offspring has a lease in infamous 270 First Avenue, same StuyTown building Trump Secretary of Commerce lists as home address of $170 million Bulk Lease dorm operation."
This is conspiracy crap, there is no proof. You are the Alex Jones of this blog, throwing out conspiracy theories with numerous links that connect the dots with nothing. BTW, here’s another link that you forgot to provide:
http://www.vaticanstate.va/content/vaticanstate/en.html
До свидания.
STR, this person is a troll who throws up smoke to obscure the real facts and demoralize tenants who have legitimate issues here. If I was a conspiracy nut, I would entertain that this person is a SPS troll sent to disrupt this blog with misinfo.
I was one of the three who was at Power’s office. Unlike some posters here, I walk the walk. Kudos to "STAND UP AND FIGHT" and the STR blog who provided the forum to make the meeting happen. The “talk” here (not always) is that the TA sucks, the TA is a management tool, all politicians are corrupt, talk of lawsuits that never happen, etc. Oh, remember that TA alterative that was posted here some time ago? The post was that at least 40 persons were at a meeting to get that alternative going? Nothing. Crickets and tumbleweeds. Powers did apologize for having the meeting in his office as opposed to having it in a local location. My suggestion to Keith (I know his office reads this blog) is to have the next meeting local AND post work hours, around 7 PM, for a greater turnout for the Oval noise issue and other issues as well.
For many of us who cannot afford a house in the country to retreat to at the weekend, the beautiful grounds and the peaceful Oval was the next best thing. Now it is carnival time all summer and the property is noisy and busy with vehicles, speeding bikes and those vile "musical" events.
I remember attending a meeting with that guy who used to be in charge. I think his name was Sean Sullivan. Tenants were trying to ask him questions about repairs after Sandy destroyed their elevators, etc., and all he could talk about was the fucking "amenities." Somebody said we don't need entertainment and he said that his people came to work everyday to try and think of ways "to make you people happy." It was totally lost on him that "we people" did not want the bread and circuses he thought would make us happy. We wanted repairs, elevators running and peace and quiet! It seems that management (all of them) are fixated on "entertaining" us. We don't want to be entertained! This is not a nursing home or resort! I think somebody said something to that effect to the Sullivan guy and he looked totally flummoxed!
We need a more sophisticated New York City bred management that understands what New Yorkers want and need and DON'T want and DON'T need. We can get all the entertainment we want in this town. We don't want or need it on our doorsteps and be forced to hear it. We DO appreciate some peace and quiet and the quiet enjoyment of our homes. Why don't these rubes not get that?
>>STR, you paint a very grim picture. Looks like we just have to put up with Blackstone or move. I still don’t think that it is a bad idea to meet with our politicians. You offer no other solutions.<<
Grim, maybe. But I do think that things help, even if these things, like a meeting with politicians is not fruitful. Think if all the complaints, found here, on the TA message board, letters to the NY Times, etc., would cease? There would be nothing but praise from Management. Now, Management gets away with a lot. They get paid, we don't. They will "win" a lot because they own the place, and they think they can do what they want.
I mentioned one person who won against Management. There also were other wins. Not easy to come by, but these wins are there. I'm sure more wins will happen. But there will have to be loses. Many of them, in fact. Be prepared for that.
Garodnick was instrumental in pushing this Blackstone deal. No, he was not aggressive .He just disappeared. At least Keith showed some interest in listening to us. More than Garodnick, Hoylman or Kavagnah ever did. They were all complicit in this deal as was DeBlasio.
"My suggestion to Keith (I know his office reads this blog) is to have the next meeting local AND post work hours, around 7 PM, for a greater turnout for the Oval noise issue and other issues as well. "
Good suggestion. Not everybody is available to attend at meeting in the morning of a work day.
"Management gets away with a lot. They get paid, we don't. They will "win" a lot because they own the place, and they think they can do what they want."
Sure they get paid and we don't. We are the ones who are doing the paying. Nobody lives here for free, not even the old people who pay the lower rents. The newer people are paying astronomical rents. If all of those people who are paying ridiculously high rents turned out for the carnival cruise shit, then maybe Management could justify all that crap. However, the attendance at these moronic events is skimpy at best.
Management encourages people from outside to come in and attend them because that bulks out the numbers. Those people are NOT paying to live here. Another thing, the tenants who do attend these hokey gigs won't be here to attend next years and the year after that because they will be priced out by then. What if boils down to is that they are putting on these hokey events for a transient population at the expense of the permanent tenants who call this place home.
All you oval residents, hope you are ready for some GREASE tonight at 7:00pm, because regardless of whether you are ready for it or not, you’re gonna get it.
Have a youngster you want to put to bed before 9pm, tough shit, the “tenants” want this. Just ask Rick, that’s what he’ll tell you as his family sits in a nice quiet apartment on Peter Cooper Road.
" remember attending a meeting with that guy who used to be in charge. I think his name was Sean Sullivan. "
The Sean Sullivan “Shakespeare*” massacre. I was there and I remember it well. At that meeting Sean Sullivan was caught in a direct lie (other lies were told by him as well) that the installers of the new intercoms in PCV had not committed any crimes. That’s when William McClellan, then PS chief, corrected him in front of everyone, he said no, there were two felony thefts associated with the intercom installers. This T&V article, a semi puff piece, does not justify the full verbal beating he took at that meeting.
*He thought he was coming to the Senior Center to talk about Shakespeare. WRONG. BTW, he got his golden parachute and split.
https://town-village.com/2013/05/10/resident-town-hall-gets-heated/
https://town-village.com/2013/06/20/stuy-town-general-manager-sean-sullivan-replaced/
This is the 6/6/18 11.54 poster;
The SPS Oval Movie vendor has just completed their sound checks for tonight’s Rube Carnival Cruise Event. Law violation #1. Blasting noise that interferes with my right for the quiet enjoyment of my apartment, the contract (standard for all NYC apartment leases, not just PCVST NYS RS apartments) that I have signed with SPS. Law violation #2. NOT a resident amenity but a commercial enterprise, illegal under the NYC zoning law for the interior of PCVST (Zoned as R7-2) since resident ID's are NOT checked for this event. No chance for real rain tonight. #SAD.
Keith?
The movie just began and it is incredibly loud.
THIS IS STAND UP AND FIGHT
1. Keith Powers' office called me today. It was a friendly conversation, and I like the staff member with whom I interact. I think, though, he is not happy with my continuing anger and push for IMMEDIATE cessation of the infringement of our right to quiet enjoyment.
He told me that (1) they are talking with Rick and whomever tomorrow; (2) In response to my suggestion that they meet with our new NYS Assemblyman Harvey Epstein in a three-way meeting (Powers, Epstein and US) to discuss legislation and other ways to compel compliance with the GUARANTEED RIGHT OF QUIET ENJOYMENT, he responded that he'd already spoken with Epstein's office, and is going to be speaking with them further about the possibilities. He further told me that (3) Powers' office IS looking into what can be done here to help us.
2. I spoke with the New York office of Harvey Epstein (new, since the end of April, our New York State Assemblyman - District 74) about this travesty and illegal, immoral behavior. It was suggested that I call 311 and consider allowing them into my apartment with a decibel meter during an "event" to document the noise, interference, disruption to our lives. I said I might.
I was told that despite Epstein's packed schedule (4 days weekly in Albany, 1 heavily scheduled weekday here, and lots of "events" on weekends); his need to catch up due to his late April entrance into the Assembly; and the work they are doing before they recess (possibly late this month), he will be apprised of the information I provided and research will done into laws that are being broken here. They will get back to me.
I continue less than optimistic. I do, HOWEVER, plan to contact a considerable roster of politicians, perhaps even up to the White House since it cannot hurt and I've more personal reasons to reach out thus.
YES, WE DO NEED NUMBERS. LOTS AND LOTS OF US.
Some of the politicians I plan to contact much appreciate PUBLICITY as far as I can tell.
I DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS MYSELF. I DO NOT WANT TO GENERATE ALL OF THE IDEAS AND IMPLEMENT THEM MYSELF OR WITH ONLY TWO OTHER STUVYESANT TOWN-PETER COOPER RESIDENT RENTERS.
PLEASE STAND UP AND FIGHT TOGETHER.
STAND UP AND FIGHT AGAIN:
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO THE HECK "WANTS" OR "DOESN'T WANT" THE "EVENTS."
THEY ARE ILLEGAL FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
THIS IS RESIDENTIAL AND ZONED AS SUCH.
THERE IS A GUARANTEE, AN IMPLIED COVENANT OF QUIET ENJOYMENT AND HABITABILITY.
THIS (AND SO MUCH MORE THAT BLACKSTONE PERPETRATES AND IMPOSES UPON US) IS ILLEGAL. PERIOD.
Just got an email from Rick about some sustainability project, yet here they are driving around a truck to market this place. Is this guy a freaking moron?
Want to stop these events? Disrupt them! Go to the event with a boom box and blast tunes right in the middle of the crowd, stand up in front of the screen etc. There are many ways to skin a cat.
I think that those louses are actually amping up the volume on the movie . The sounds of Grease are coming clear and loud into my apartment trying to drown out my TV. Despicable
“I DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS MYSELF. I DO NOT WANT TO GENERATE ALL OF THE IDEAS AND IMPLEMENT THEM MYSELF OR WITH ONLY TWO OTHER STUVYESANT TOWN-PETER COOPER RESIDENT RENTERS.
PLEASE STAND UP AND FIGHT TOGETHER.”
And I do NOT want to be one of the few people who posts info from this blog - including info about the Keith Powers meeting - to the TA’s FB page. Other people need to get involved on that page, too. I don’t know if mis-management reads this blog, but I do know that they read the TA’s FB page. We need to have more people posting on that page about this infringement on our right to the quiet enjoyment of our homes so mis-management doesn’t think it’s just a few, unhappy cranks complaining about their noisy, Oval events.
I went out there tonight to first beg Security to stop it, and then walked around a little while it was happening. (The decibel level, by the way, was measured, and was illegal. BUT BEAR IN MIND THE WHOLE BULLSHIT ACTION IS ILLEGAL!)
It's worse than you know.
I believe I saw people openly drinking booze in groups.
I smelled extremely strong marijuana more than once.
. . . I agree:
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Please don't hurt cats, and certainly don't skin them. But I have been calling for action for some time now. Just tonight I was thinking of trying to learn to use stilts to walk up and down in front of the screen!
I live on 14th facing front and could hear that fucking noise. Not enough to be a disturbance, but if I could hear it, then the people living on Oval must have been overwhelmed by it. It's disgusting. Rick and his ilk have done more harm than good.
I don't want to hear any hypocritical crap about "sustainability" so long as they are going to punish us with such noise pollution. They must be getting some big kickback from DeBlasio for the latest "sustainability" con job. Blackstone doesn't do ANYTHING unless there is some kickback in it for them. Loathsome bunch of assholes.
"I think that those louses are actually amping up the volume on the movie . The sounds of Grease are coming clear and loud into my apartment trying to drown out my TV. Despicable"
I think you are right. They are vindictive and hate it when tenants stand up for themselves. I think we should totally boycott all of these events because they are not put on for the benefit of the majority of tenants and are just cheap PR stunts. I won't be going to the farmers market again or attending any charitable event put on by Rick because he has shown himself for being such an arrogant prick.
I went out to the Oval to see and hear for myself. And I took photos. Which I will send to the appropriate "authorities," but not to Rick or Management. Sorry, I'm tired of doing that.
From what I saw, there was a small crowd. Most of the children were bored and running around, playing with each other rather than watching the movie. Personally, I wondered why any adult by him or herself would watch this loud and, by kids, disruptive movie. You must really be desperate for some kind of companionship and validation.
I also saw many peddling bicycles going by on the south side of the Oval. Where was PS?
Basically, I thought the whole "event" was a mess. As I said, I took photos. Rick and Company, you screwed up big time.
Good idea to take photos of the event. It was very loud and disruptive, particularly “Grease” which was the second movie. Even with my TV on , I could clearly hear the music on the soundtrack. We need to keep up the pressure on them to stop this crap.
Unfortunately there are still residents who will go. Hopefully when the weather becomes hot, people will not want to sweat on the lawn for a third run movie or hokey concert.
Adam, I agree that more people should post on the TA blog, but I really do not think that management cares if it is a few or many. They ignore it.
Meanwhile, Powers cowers. So scared of his Blackstone owners.
Adam. I would love to finish reading what you wrote, but the second I see "mis-management" I just shut down. Just like the
complex's bread and circuses it just seems so childish. Go high my friend, go high.
This obviously photoshopped fakery reminds of Garodnick who wanted STR to remove a photo so Garodnick could deceive the community into believing he strong-armed that Andrew whats-his-name into releasing a photo of the bunker. Lies and Deceptive business practices are all over StuyTown.
“Adam. I would love to finish reading what you wrote, but the second I see "mis-management" I just shut down. Just like the
complex's bread and circuses it just seems so childish. Go high my friend, go high.”
I call it like I see it, my friend. STPCV IS being mis-managed by mis-management. If you think saying that is childish, fine. Each to their own.
The ONLY way to shut down the Oval Circus is with a class action suit.
I feel bad for Oval residents. It used to be prime space. Not anymore.
Management is mean and inconsiderate. And most likely breaking tenant lease laws.
It's simply too unbelievable to believe.
I'd post on TA sight if I could but I have been banned.
I exact my pound of flesh by using huge amounts of electricity and water. Management pays for it not me so I dont give a f*(%. Leave lights, computer, TV, Air conditioner, etc running all the time when I am out. I let water run all the time, flush the toilet every time I walk by etc. Screw them!
>>I call it like I see it, my friend. STPCV IS being mis-managed by mis-management. If you think saying that is childish, fine. Each to their own.<<
Personally, never bothered me. If it is not mis-management, then what is it?
"I exact my pound of flesh by using huge amounts of electricity and water. Management pays for it not me so I dont give a f*(%. Leave lights, computer, TV, Air conditioner, etc running all the time when I am out. I let water run all the time, flush the toilet every time I walk by etc. Screw them!"
I understand how you feel, but you are not really hurting Management. You are wasting resources and by leaving everything electric on and running the water constantly (especially when you are not home) creates a flood and fire hazard which might hurt you and your neighbors more than it hurts the pond scum who run this place.
The TA is dead silent about all this harassment from the Oval noise. They really have given up and gone away. The facebook is the only thing they do for tenants and that is just a forum for venting and advertising. They will probably close that down soon.
Mis-management should be on all their stationary.
I exact my pound of flesh by using huge amounts of electricity and water. Management pays for it not me so I dont give a f*(%. Leave lights, computer, TV, Air conditioner, etc running all the time when I am out. I let water run all the time, flush the toilet every time I walk by etc. Screw them!
This behavior used to bother me. Not anymore, I find myself not caring about conserving anything here. When I leave the PIG STUY, I re-cycle and conserve but not here.
@5:14 PM: OK, don't worry about conserving and recycling, but PLEASE don't leave water running and electric on when you are not home because it could wind up hurting innocent neighbors (as well as maybe blowing out your appliances) if there is a flood or fire. Remember that this dump is old and the plumbing and wiring are not particularly sound. You could end up losing all your stuff and creating a lot of collateral damage. Thanks. :-)
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