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Saturday, February 25, 2012

About Those 2,000 Student Apartments....



An article in the current Town & Village, titled "Student Town," clarifies and corrects certain impressions/statements that got a considerable amount of attention on various web pages, including this blog, while at the same time leaving questions open about just what is really occurring here, or about to occur, regarding student housing. First off, forget about those 2,000 student apartments waiting to be filled this summer. The number, according to Kyle Freedman, the young CEO of My Student Apartment, is near 300 (that he "expects to close"), but, as of now the article states that "he's arranged dozens of his clients to move into Stuy Town." We also hear from the grapevine that things may not be going so smoothly for Mr. Freedman and his intentions toward student housing in Stuy Town. So, at this point, it appears that the news item we all got upset about may have been just wishful thinking on the part of a start-up business.

I should also clarify and correct certain impressions/statements made by someone in the commenting section. Regarding all night "raves" at Stuy Town, if the calls are made to Public Safety/Security, the "raves" get shut down. I've repeated this several times, but tenants have to call Public Safety if they feel neighbors are too noisy in the middle of the night. By its very definition, a rave is an extended loud party, and it's hard to believe that Public Safety would do nothing if such a rave continues after the first warning.

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Update 2/26: Over at the TA Facebook, there's an open letter from our councilman Dan Garodnick, addressed to both CW and Rose Associates, stating concerns over whatever arrangement ST/PCV has with colleges and student brokerage firms and demanding (or almost demanding) answers. We may be in for a couple of interesting weeks, or then again, CW and Rose could just ignore Dan's letter, as I'm assuming such information is kept close to the vest. It would be good to know just what the reality is concerning student housing in ST/PCV. Student housing here is one of the issues that will have to be addressed in any serious conversion offer, a conversion offer that seems less and less likely to sway CW or most older tenants, in my opinion.

The way I see it is that student housing is a Manhattan reality, and not just in Stuy Town. If you step outside the perimeters of ST/PCV, you should have noted the tremendous increase in students these past years and businesses that cater to students. The old businesses that catered to a more permanent NY resident have closed down and are closing down. It's all tiny Asian fusion bars and bistros, Starbucks, etc. Students are not heading to Jewish delis or Ukrainian butcher shops. The demographics are changing rapidly. CW needs students as renters, because that seems to be the largest pool of applicants (true?) for renting units here and willing to share. Any talk of condo conversion has to face this reality.

74 comments:

Anonymous said...

This whole issue is simply puffery on the part of a piggy college kid looking to get rich quick. He's just augmenting the ST/PCV rental office marketing campaign and trying to leech some money from broker fees. His "2000" figure is pure horseshit, and may or may not represent the total number of apartment leases in play that management expects to be resigned at some point during the college semesters.

This dormitization of NYC is happening all over Manhattan and elsewhere as the whole herd of greedy real estate investors ride the wave of obscene rental prices that no normal person can afford to carry. I don't have any answers, other than to say I hope that the residents of ST/PCV will one day be able to control their own destinies and move to do so very swiftly.

Anonymous said...

STR -

We've phoned security on several occasions about loud parties, and sometimes they've visited the students three times but it doesn't help much. In the past, I do recall one time when an officer broke-up a party and told everybody to leave, but they no longer do that. In fact, security advised us to call the NYPD after their third visit which did no good.

So you're being way too optimistic.

Anonymous said...

He may only expect to "close" 300 of them but the article still says that 2,000 will be turning over the summer. That's a frightening number.

Anonymous said...

If you live in a rent-stabilized apartment, doesn't it have to be your primary residence? How does that work with student renters? Is STPCV their primary residence? Is that what's on their college records, drivers' licenses, car registration, voting registration, tax returns, etc.? If not, how do they get to occupy rent-stabilized apartments, which is what I thought all of STPCV now was?

Previous landlords certainly went after legitimate tenants here, forcing them to prove primary residency, often at their own legal expense. (I speak from experience.) Don't the same rules apply to students?

Anonymous said...

So far as I'm concerned, that's 300 too many.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>In the past, I do recall one time when an officer broke-up a party and told everybody to leave, but they no longer do that. In fact, security advised us to call the NYPD after their third visit which did no good.<<

Something's not right. I can't see Public Safety/Security seriously telling you to call the NYPD. Was it a joke? If it was a serious comment, you perhaps should have alerted management, as I'm positive the policy is NOT to ignore continual loud parties and tell the complaining tenant to call the NYPD instead.

Anonymous said...

No, it wasn't a joke. They went to the apartment three or four times, and the students didn't turn the noise down. Finally, security advised us after the last time to call NYPD because there's nothing more they can do. Remember, these are toy cops, and legally they don't have the power to do very much except report the noise to management. I wish it was a joke, because it was very disappointing that they didn't break up the party like they used to do.

Anonymous said...

The dormitization ST/PCV is overwhelming.
All campus dorms have very specific rules set by the Colleges (Sadly not here), aside the loud parties, one of them (Required by law) overhead sprinklers for student safety etc.
When we reach the 25% occupancy in stuydorms this
should become a concern for Management.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>No, it wasn't a joke. They went to the apartment three or four times, and the students didn't turn the noise down. Finally, security advised us after the last time to call NYPD because there's nothing more they can do. Remember, these are toy cops, and legally they don't have the power to do very much except report the noise to management. I wish it was a joke, because it was very disappointing that they didn't break up the party like they used to do.<<

If Security couldn't handle this, they could have called the NYPD themselves as they have direct access to the 13th Precinct. They are also deputized peace officers with the power of arrest. I still don't get this, and, repeat, you should have brought this up to the management, as this is NOT the way things are supposed to run. My suspicion is that perhaps the noise was not excessive or not present when Security arrived, and that Security thought you may have been pulling their chain a bit, and so responded in that way. But if that wasn't the case, you should have reported the remark, and management would have investigated, I'd think.

Anonymous said...

STR it's fine if you want to be so optimistic about management but the rest of us have two words for you: Renee Riley.

I rest my case.

Anonymous said...

STR, I don't know which building you live in, but it seems you are a little out of touch with what a lot of us have to put up with in the dorm buildings. You also seem to have an overly rosy (no pun intended here) view of how effective Public Safety is. Someone on this blog once commented that the student invasion was an harassment ploy by Management to drive long term and elderly rent stabilized tenants out. My initial reaction to that was that the commenter was being a little paranoid. Now, I'm not so sure! Also, it doesn't necessarily take a loud party to be sleep-wrecking nuisance. The students who live downstairs from me frequently strum their guitars all night long (as in from midnight until about 5 am). I probably couldn't call PS for that because they are not really raising a ruckus, just keeping me awake. Also, I don't want Public Safety having to come into my bedroom in order to hear it. They are pretty ineffective when they are called (I speak from experience) when there is a loud party and the kids who dorm here have no respect for them or for their neighbors. Visits by PS are followed by loud honks and shrills of laughter and then the party continues.

Anonymous said...

Here's an example of the kind of trash that's moving here.

https://twitter.com/allie_frazz

"Shitting in a frat house is hands down the most uncomfortable thing I've ever done @Kelly_H20s"

"This can't ve safe. I've been drinking for almost 24 hours straigt"

"Things to do today: pass risk midterm, get hired, fuck bitches & get money. #gametime"

"just signed a lease for my first apartment !! :):) #stuytown"

"Move in date confirmed for May 15th !!!!"

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>Visits by PS are followed by loud honks and shrills of laughter and then the party continues.<<

That's obviously unexceptionable. So far, I've only had one truly bad experience with student neighbors. This was in Tishman Speyer times. The students (all male) were above me and had no respect for neighbors, playing loud music when they'd come in drunk around 2am, etc. I even heard them laughing about the noise they were making that would wake everyone up in their vicinity. These occurrences were not frequent, but certainly infuriating when they did occur.

Each building, each floor is going to be different.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

There are two bottom lines here, I believe. The bottom line for us non-transient tenants is that ST/PCV should not be a dorm. The bottom line for CW is they need renters willing to pay the prices being charged for apartments here. These students, when sharing, are just such renters. I don't know how we win on this. Perhaps condo-conversion is the answer, but that could be years in the making and, as yet, there's no indication that CW is even willing to listen to the TA and Brookfield. And even with conversion, who knows if Brookfield won't have to rent to students also, as otherwise they may have ownership of many rental units without a sale. The only other possibility is a legal challenge, whether it be concerning partitions or the housing of an excessive number of people in an apartment who are not related. I'm assuming the TA is, or has, investigated this, but if such a legal challenge would occur would it impact the timeline of condo-conversion, something the TA is very interested in?

Anonymous said...

STR

There are a number of problem buildings throughout ST that have higher concentrations of kids and students. These include a few notorious buildings on the Oval and a series of buildings along 14th St.

Anonymous said...

I believe we should consider strongly the validity of the legal point raised by Anonymous @ 8:41 PM. Can the Leasing Office offer a rent-stablilized lease to someone who doesn't have ST/PCV as their legal primary residence? This could be a legal anchor for us. Can someone from the ST/PCV TA reading this respond or know whether this has been looked into as of yet?

Anonymous said...

Students have ruined the rest of the city so they may as well ruin Stuy Town too? Did you ever stop to think that maybe if the students weren't allowed to take over the community that maybe, just maybe, the people who would patronize a variety of businesses, the ones who move out because of the noise and mismanagement, would keep them in operation?

Anonymous said...

When does Stuydorms becomes dorms?
25%. 50%, 75%...

Anonymous said...

Primary residence is not a cut and dry issue, which is why Tishman had to battle with legitimate RS tenants over their status. How does one know how a judge will determine if student housing is or is not their primary residence, even if the voting and drivers license criteria are not met. The RGB allows for people to be away from their apartments to go to school, so why wouldn't they allow them to attend school ? And there might already be case law on the matter. Anyhow, here's the brief RGB explanation:

http://www.nycrgb.org/html/resources/faq/primary.html

What constitutes "primary residence"?

Section §2520.6(u) of the RENT STABILIZATION CODE sets forth the various factors that may be considered in determining whether a tenant remains a primary resident:

Although no single factor shall be solely determinative, evidence which may be considered in determining whether a housing accommodation subject to this Code is occupied as a primary residence shall include:

1 Specification by an occupant of an address other than such housing accommodation as a place of residence on any tax return, motor vehicle registration, driver's license or other document filed with a public agency;

2 Use by an occupant of an address other than such housing accommodation as a voting address;

3 Occupancy of the housing accommodation for an aggregate of less than 183 days in the most recent calendar year, except for temporary periods of relocation pursuant to section 2523.5(b) of this Title [covering military service, enrollment as a full time student; relocation by court order; temporary relocation due to employment; hospitalization or other reasonable grounds];

4 Subletting the housing accommodation.

If your landlord is challenging your status, it is important that you to collect this evidence. Bear in mind that there are many unique situations where the above guidelines may prove less helpful. For example, an actor, stewardess, artist or musician may spend many months away from home as part of their occupation and yet have no other primary residence. The courts will consider these situations and may discount one or another of the factors (such as the 183 day occupancy guideline). In some instances tenants will maintain a seasonal residence and register their car at that location for insurance purposes, yet still be considered primary residents of their New York apartments. All these things will weigh in the decision-making process.

Anonymous said...

I wish we had someone better than useless Dan Garodnick representing us in City Hall. He is only interested in the proposed conversion and the money he will pocket from it. We need someone powerful who will represent we the TENANTS who are totally sick of having our lives disrupted by these rotten brats they are renting to now. BTW, I am not old (by most standards!). I'm in my early forties and work for a living. I need sleep and I'm not getting any sleep with the jerks downstairs from me who strum their fucking guitar all night long. Have your kumbayar nights on campus, not here.

Anonymous said...

Still waiting for Tom Duane to lead us in a protest because, as he's always told us, this is his area of expertise. Or the TA could lead us. (Pigs might fly.) Or we could lead ourselves.

Anonymous said...

"Kyle Freedman, a Baruch College Corporate Communications major, along with his cross-collegiate staff have a different vision."

Keep studying kid! You have a lot to learn.

Anonymous said...

Can someone from the ST/PCV TA reading this respond or know whether this has been looked into as of yet?

LOL!

Anonymous said...

There's probably only one way students will be taken into account when it comes to conversion & that is there will be no conversion. Sponsors will chicken out because they'll feel fewer people will want to buy initially when they're living next to a student. Even if there is a conversion, there's still the possibility that the owner may decide to sublet to students. It's very lucrative. If there is a condo conversion, if there are troublesome students next door, you can complain to the condo association, but if the owner is absent or doesn't care, there's little you can do. But a co-op is different. In a co-op if there are serious violations, the owner can be evicted. Not sure of the exact procedure. Shares would probably have to be surrendered & paid off through some type of reserves.

Anonymous said...

No way in this world would I even consider buying my apartment as long as the place is infested with students.

Anonymous said...

There have been convertions with alot bigger problems than this wil students.

Bad 'hoods, dicey tenants, etc etc.

This alleged converstion has the most important thing going for it. Is is some of the prime realesate in the world.

I do not like the character of the place as much as I did 20 years ago, but if we can make the numbers work, we can have a future here if we wish.

I just wish the friggen TA would come out of its cocoon and tell us what the hell is going on!!

The Seniors are in better shape than the young middle aged folks here who would like to a bit of stability in thier lives, watching the rents go up, no matter What RS is doing. The ugly evil of the market will find its way and we can either win or lose this round.

Who knows, maybe it is not worth winning - In 15 years, maybe all us 50 somethings can move to other places and form a cultural Mecca.

I know I can live else where, but do I want to. Do all you middle aged and younger adults want to leave Manhattan? You might want to when your formerly cheap RS rent is 5000 a month by retirement.



Lets get these numbers right and give it a chance - it not I'll have a chair waiting for you in Phase 10 of Century City in Boca.

Anonymous said...

I'm very glad that Garodnick wrote to CW and Rose. I hope they don't ignore him.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but my faith in CWC caring about what DGarodnick thinks or any other entity is long gone. Business is business to them. kwim? Sad and true.

Anonymous said...

STR, what's with the new format? Is it your idea or Blogger?

Stuy Town Reporter said...

In the comment section? That's Blogger. I have nothing to do with it.

Anonymous said...

I'm very glad that Garodnick wrote to CW and Rose. I hope they don't ignore him.

LOL!

Anonymous said...

Why would the sales dept of Brookfield (formerly the TA) or Dan Garodnick really care about this. If their plan goes through their will be much more of this. Only a CO-OP Conversion will allow for tenants to stop this.

Anonymous said...

Blogger changed the comment style to get comment-stabilized blogs like this one to move. FIGHT THE POWER!!!*#*$*$

Anonymous said...

"Why would the sales dept of Brookfield " - You are so right. The TA has become nothing more than Brookfield sales. Like it or not, a condo structure will not change this. People can buy under a condo plan & rent to students. They can raise hell all day long and there's no much you can do about it.

Anonymous said...

to 355

I am not sure what your point is about only a coop conversion can save us. Are you excluding Condo's? Condo's can be very restictive in who is permitted to occupy units, it they chose to be by thier rules.

Please clarify, if you meant conversion or just coops.

Anonymous said...

Two things.

I lived in a condo once in manhattan and it was VERY strict.

And wth is with all these students coming in? I'm only 35, lived in GV 5 years ago and left due to too many students. But that's Greenwhich village , which is NYU.

When I moved here, there weren't this many students living here. Is NYU that easy to get into these days? Have there been that many more enrolled in NYc?

Anonymous said...

To 12:33 PM,

Condos have no teeth when it comes to restrictions--particularly when it comes to the unmanageable mess that we call home.

Coops have some teeth but, again, are unlikely to be effective given the law of large numbers we are dealing with here.

Hey, as an aside, did anyone else just get the email from our friend Dan entitled "Flag this message
Can't We Be More Transparent?"

My god, this guy MUST have a sense of humor! He's spearheading the most opaque multibillion dollar campaign at this very moment.

Yes, Dan, we can be more transparent. But it should start with YOU, and must be closely followed up by the TA. Not going to happen. Neither will the conversion.

Anonymous said...

Did anybody see this? It's a sure sign of times. Not that the bonuses are down, but that these people feel like victims. OMG!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bonus-withdrawal-puts-bankers-malaise-050100338.html

I think we should start a fund for these poor, unfortunate people!

Anonymous said...

What's being said about co-op restrictions is not 100% accurate. It's true that both forms can be restrictive. The difference is in enforcement. You virtually have no power to enforce anything in a condo. But in a co-op even though you own the shares for your apartment, under the law you are considered a renter - renting from the corporation. As such, we'd all be covered by NYS multiple dwelling laws. So if someone is in serious violation of these laws, they can be evicted.

Anonymous said...

What about Hotels? Are these illegal or what? If you Google Earth "Stuyvesant Town" It appears that Lodge Brooke and Jarred (a Hotel Company) is currently located at 15 Stuyvesant Oval. ...and this appears on google earth! How many other hotel companies with apartments are there? I know I have about 4 on my floor alone. If this is truly illegal, can someone tell me who to inform. I would just LOVE to be able to post the apartments (building and apt. #) on this site that I KNOW are hotels.

Anonymous said...

To 411 The teeth in the Condo Parkchester - the sister development was harder to rent than and condo. It is really a matter of the character of the building.

The teeth were sharp in the Bronx condo!

Quad - #420 said...

Regarding the hotels. Call Adam Rose asap. Rose does not like their property as a hotel.

POST IT HERE, POST IT HERE

Anonymous said...

February 29, 2012 9:41 PM, you should let Management know immediately. Here's Adam Rose's email address: adam@rosenyc.com.

Anonymous said...

As a resident of PCVST for more than 10 years, what I have read from all of this is really absurd.

Some of you are going after a young entrepreneur (which our country strives off on) who is providing a service to college students for affordable off-campus housing. Look all around you, the neighborhood is changing to a more younger crowd. PCVST saw this and are marketing towards that niche market. Look at all the videos they have on their youtube page about apartments, do you see anyone over 30?(I'm 35)

http://youtu.be/32d-8ULxelw

http://youtu.be/Kv2vGJaU89M

http://youtu.be/7__CVbHs3-g

http://youtu.be/TSWbS9DGypI

I even found this old article back in 2003 about the large inflow of students in Stuytown. Did that stop them from moving here.

http://www.thevillager.com/villager_27/stuyvesanttown.html

We are going through what Murray Hill went through in the past....young adults looking for areas in the city with affordable apartments.

In terms of the partying and noise, that will always come with the territory. whenever a new tenant moves into an apartment close to mine, I take the courtesy of introducing myself and telling them about being courteous to their neighbors and if they would like to have a party, it is fine however keep the noise level down after a certain time. Ever since i have started doing it, I have never had to complain or call the police. I think if we all take the initiative to do this, it will make our life easier and we get to know our neighbors a lot more better....this is a community right?

With all that said, there is nothing we can do to stop this change of student population here. Society is doing so regardless of what we do or say. As a real-estate lawyer, it is illegal to deny an apartment to someone due to their social status. There is nothing Dan Garodnick with his letter or Andrew MacArthur and Adam Rose can do to stop this.

Why don't we just move all students in one building or two since we are complaining so much about the noise level.

Anonymous said...

2/29, 9:41 p.m.: You can report illegal hotels to the Management office or you can email Adam Rose at adam@rosenyc.com.

Anonymous said...

I am very uncomfortable with this endless demonization of students. It is unfortunate that our landlord or whoever is in charge is renting apartments which should be for the middle class-whatever that is. But that doesn't make students evil people. I have had two noise incidents (loud music) in 19 stuyvesant Oval. Both times I contacted security. Both times the noise was stopped. I am a long term resident and wish for the days when this was a mecca for the middle and working class. I'm not interested in a shady real estate deal that the TA has cooked up, and I deplore the profits ST/PCV are making from the colleges, but that doesn't make me hate students. I was a student. My daughters were students. Put latinos, blacks and muslims in place of the word student. Or go back to my younger days when the word would have been Italian, Irish, Jew, hippie. I'm sure you get it. It is an uncomfortable situation, but to blame an entire group of residents because they are students is just plain wrong.

Anonymous said...

It is against the law to discriminate based on age or familial status. Triple damages and punitives...that illegal. You can't do it.

Anonymous said...

You can always sue the landlord for your rent back for any night that you cannot sleep. I listen to all the whining and think why don't these people do something besides complain. Keep a log of the times you couldn't get to sleep due to noise that your landlord doesn't correct. Keep the name of the security person you called the time you called and any follow up by the security dept. If you don't get results than its time to stop paying your rent. Only you cant actually stop paying the rent you need to sue to get it back. The precedence for this type of lawsuit was a case in PCVST sometime back in the 70s or 80's when an elderly couple kept excellent records of times they were kept from sleeping and sued Met Life and WON. It happens frequently in luxury buildings, to the point where most landlords won't rent to students.

Anonymous said...

To 11:56 AM: It is not the students per se, it is the affect they have on the property and the quality of life here because of the way they are housed - 5 kids in one apartment. Multiply that by several hundred (or thousand) apartments and you have a dorm. If the students were living in apartments that had not been chopped up into cubicles it would be a very, very different scenario. I don't blame the students; I blame our greedy, bloodsucking management.

Anonymous said...

just saw this posted to the PCVST Facebook page - a picture of an intoxicated NYU student passed out in a Stuyvesant Town Hallway - the PCVST PD did nothing!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=353277678046436&set=o.358760671689&type=1&theater

Anonymous said...

GET OFF MY LAWN YOU DAMN KIDS!!!

http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/09/06/2815670678_5f598d9f04_o.jpg

Anonymous said...

@Anon March 1, 2012 11:56 AM

You might have the perception that all the criticism is of "students" but in fact, the criticism is directed at any and all people who disturb their neighbors without regard to their rights to enjoy their living space in peace and quiet. Just because someone pays rent to live in an apartment doesn't give them the right to disturb their neighbors, be it by not carpeting their floors, playing music till the wee hours, leaving garbage strewn about or having guests misbehave by using the property inappropriately.

It doesn't matter if these people are students, members of the workforce or retirees, they're still obligated to behave themselves and be considerate of their neighbors.

Students are mentioned often because the apartments that are carved into cubicles resemble dorm living and the comparison is inevitable.

But in reality, the problem has more to do with the economics of renting these apartments and the fact that the landlord is carving them up into cubicles to accommodate their own greed. None of this will change unless the landlord is willing to demand that tenants comply with the rules of civil decency.

Anonymous said...

to 1156
Thanks for making my day. Things were to sane. Your metaphors are so insulting to the ethinic groups that you mentioned. Being a member of a ethnic group does not instantly imply a type of behavior.

When people are talking of students here, it is about the fact the the population of these particular students are really acting out. It is a fact not a supposition.

I don't know what your agenda is, but forgive me it sounds like you have one.

I am surrounded by students and don't care much becasue I am a rowdy hot mess myself. And I like young people - it is fun to be around them. BUT - everyone has the right to quiet time if they want and if they lived on top of me rather than next to me, I would tear-gas them if they did not shut up by 12.

So take your discomfort and get real if you can.

Respek

Anonymous said...

The squeaky wheel gets the grease and boy do those students squeak.

Anonymous said...

Gross exaggeration. I've rarely seen anyone demonize students per se. Most of us been students & we know what dorm life is like. Students in dorms are fine. Students embedded in residential, family-oriented housing , that's not fine. 20-30% of students will be quiet. 70-80% will be disruptive & noisy. And if you don't live next to students who are disruptive & noisy & you think that having students in our buildings is just fine, I sincerely wish that when a vacancy develops next door to you, four prime, robust students move next door with dogs & guitars, and then let's see how you feel. Otherwise, it's CW & Rose Mgt that deserve to get demonized, not the students.

Anonymous said...

STR,

You have got to say something about the full page ad in T&V placed by the TA. It's such a joke.

They're calling out management over the dorm situation. I'm all for that but they're doing it six years after the fact and claiming to have been on our side all along. Oh, please.

Then the ad slyly segues into an advertisement for the condo conversion. I could be very wrong but I really think they are underestimating the intelligence of their audience.

I love the closing paragraph: "Do not suffer in silence. If you are being disturbed by tenants in "dormitory" apartments, call...security..."

Gee, thanks. I guess we pretty much know that we won't be calling the TA!

Anonymous said...

I can understand your discomfort with the ongoing "demonization" of students. We have 3 students next to us who are great neighbors. But then again, 3 floors down there's an apartment full of students who are making life miserable for their entire floor. Unfortunately, that's about all it takes in life to spoil the party. Our building is relatively stable, but there are buildings along Ave C, along 14th St and a few in the Oval that are filled with dorm apartments and kids constantly moving in and out. My wife was chatting with a Sec guard one evening when he got a call to do a vertical (inspection of the stairwells) in a building on Ave C. He groaned and said it was yet another complaint about kids smoking pot in the stairwell. The guard hung around talking to my wife.


There is also something else going on here and it's that Rose/CW Capital knows students don't stick around. That's a big plus for the landlord because under rent stabilization law, every time an apartment flips the landlord is allowed to pass on a vacancy to the next tenant (16.5% increase for a one year lease, 20% for a 2). This community thrived for so long because of rent laws that helped kept this community stable. Students, good and bad, are undermining that stability simply because they're not here for the long haul.

Anonymous said...

Huge development in the j-51 case:

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20120302/REAL_ESTATE/120309983

Anonymous said...

Who is Renee Riley?

Anonymous said...

I just looked at the "Stop Loud Obnoxious Noises" Facebook and see that the last post was "I left Stuy town." Too bad the poor guy was obviously driven out by his obnoxious neighbors. I guess that's chalk one up for Adam Rose and students; zero for adult, real rent-paying grown-up.

Anonymous said...

Management and landlords all over love students. Think about it, they never complain, their parents pay the rent, on time, they don't stick around long.

Perfect scenario.

Anonymous said...

Rose and the prior and the future landlords thrive on any of us leaving asap. Even MR tenants. Just gets the rental income up up up!

TAKEYOURSHOESOFFAIRHEADS said...

I only wish I could hire a lawyer and sue for damages of endless nights of sleep. CAn;t afford it. any advice?

Anonymous said...

If Rose wanted to get rid of the hotels, he would. Someone on his staff can find them just as easily as anyone else can. This one's been listed forever and the guy, his address, his resume and all his info are so easy to find. If there's a hotel in your building, by all means report it. But no one should do Rose's work.
http://www.airbnb.com/rooms/227649

Anonymous said...

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates

Le plus ca change....

Anonymous said...

Did you read who they guy was complaining about. True, the worst culprits were the ones banging above, who were students, but he was complaining about the older man playing jazz and the Korean children on the other side and the TV from below. THIS IS AN APARTMENT. You will hear other people's lives.

Anonymous said...

I know this is off-topic in regards to the students, but the noise situation from the ice rink is getting worse and worse every Sunday morning. I don't need to set an alarm clock on Sundays because I can count on being awakened at exactly 9:05 AM by some of the loudest, most obnoxious screams (clearly coming from adults, not kids) I've ever heard. When is it going to be closed already? This is bordering on abusive. I can hear it as I type this with my windows fully closed. Naturally, once the rink closes it's only a matter of time until the super-loud summer concerts begin.

Anonymous said...

“I don't know whether I should be optimistic or pessimistic,” said City Councilman Dan Garodnick, who lives in the complex. "The key is, what are the terms?”

So says Dan RE: the J-51 settlement with Met.

Dan, we might well ask you the same RE: the condo conversion you're pimping out!

Anonymous said...

Open (son sequitur) question to Rose Assoc.: why, oh why, do you go to the expense of reseeding the grass and then remove the stick and twine barriers after regrowth? A reliable number of inconsiderate assholes who live here - old and young, greatest generation and students - will always immediately re-establish their muddy trench shortcuts over the lawn, destroying the new grass. The only way to discourage this selfish, lazy behavior is to install lawn edging, of some sort.

Anonymous said...

check out the situation with the noise problems in stuytown


http://www.facebook.com/StuyTownNoises

Rose did nothing. This poor guy had to move out.

Anonymous said...

For all those who said to email adam rose or call management.... sorry but contrary to popular belief, Adam Rose does NOT care about Hotels in StuyTown... He only cares when HE is not the one authorizing them, allowing them, or knowing about them-what have you... He only cares when long time tenants rent out their apartments as Hotels, basically short term subletting. He knows DAMN WELL there are plenty of hotels here- trust me! Just as someone said
"every time an apartment flips the landlord is allowed to pass on a vacancy to the next tenant (16.5% increase for a one year lease, 20% for a 2)."
Rose wants to get the appraisal of the complex as high as possible. And will do anything to bring the rents up. Whatever it takes. Hotels, Colleges, Corporate Apartments (there are plenty- ever see a single business man usually wearing a suit in your building by himself and wonder, when did this guy move in?? And he "lives alone". He is staying in a corporate apt. Oh and let's not forget- the people who work at oval fitness, oval concierge, management, the leasing office, and maintenance (not all, but most) have an apartment in stuytown! Food for thought...

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