Well, it seems CWCapital needs some kind of extra lure for prospective sucker market-paying renters, so with several amenities gone due to the aftereffects of Hurricane Sandy, the company probably felt a necessity to bring the Greenmarket back earlier than ever (April 7th) and leaving later than ever (December 22nd).
The GrowNYC site gives the details:
http://www.grownyc.org/greenmarket-site/manhattan/stuyvesant-town-greenmarket
Do note that the site says NOTHING about the Greenmarket being open only to "residents and their guests." Instead, the market is "the place to be on Sunday mornings." The official PCVST website also doesn't have any mention of the legal parameters for the Greenmarket. Thanks, Councilman Dan Garodnick!
From StuyTown Report post, April 21st, 2012:
As readers may know by now, the Green (Farmers) Market is returning to Stuyvesant Town in its previous location at the southern edge of the Oval grounds. According to this week's Town & Village newspaper, the market "will go from being an event that's been open to the public to one that's for residents and their guests only." Our councilman Dan Garodnick, who promised last year to work with management to place the Green Market in an area that would meet what was then considered proper zoning regulations, sent a letter to Amanda Burden, Director of the Department of City Planning, stating that "he considered the matter closed after working with CW Capital to find a way to bring the greenmarket back without its use being considered commercial activity." Garodnick has had talks with both the Dept. of City Planning and the Department of Buildings, and has come to the conclusion, according to T&V, that the zoning laws prevent "open commercial use" of residential property, but that "limited commercial activity in residential areas that are designed to serve as an 'accessory use' for residents and their guest only" are allowed.
40 comments:
This is great news! The greenmarket's fantastic. I'm glad they're extending it.
I just sent a comment to GrowNYC. Here's where to go: http://www.grownyc.org/contact
The greenmarket, Oval Cafe, concerts and all other bread and circus activities are an affront to those tenants who are paying big rents for diminished services, as a slap in the face to all of us who would like to have peaceful weekends in our homes. CWCap is totally riding roughshod over the tenants and I can't wait for them to go. They are the worst management we have ever had. They just cannot do the job of maintaining the buildings and providing the services that tenants have a right to. Instead, they are constantly pandering to outsiders and trying to suck in more students and transients. They are despicable.
Thanks for nothing Councilman Dan.
I feel bad for the residents near the site who have to live with the Sunday 8am wake up noise for SEVEN MONTHS!
Screw you management.
Wonderful! I can count on a weekly Sunday 7 am wakeup call as the banging, clanging beeping and shouting of the setting up of the market begins. CW Capital, you go, girl.
STR Campus Rock needs something to lure in future suckers! They are low on amenities, high on broken washers and dryers and have more irate tenants than they know what to do with! Word of mouth certainly isn't going to fill these dorm apartments! Hell, their "refer a friend, make an enemy" AMEX gift card offer aren't working. Remember the free Mini Cooper? HA!
I can't wait to see Lady Maya's Oval Concert Series this year! Coming soon! Slayer! Pantera! Gwar! with special guest Cannibal Corpse and Insane Clown Posse! Free smoothies to the first 100 people who flee the property with their hands over their ears!
Come see for yourself!
My first thought was what is the big deal? Then I saw the whole picture and if I had to wake up every Sunday morning to banging and trucks being loaded/unloaded, that would suck. And if it was literally brought to my front door, that would make it even worse.
While in theory, I am all for the market and even enjoy it, when thinking about the residents who have to endure the noise of it, it isn't fair.
Yay! Great news!!! Is there a way they can build an indoor skating rink for the summer months, too? I'd like to take my kids out of the closet every few days and give them a bit of exercise before putting them back in.
Thanks Dan. For nothing.
I am so happy! Truly, this is music to my ears.
Thanks for the great news.
Get rid of the mold at 285 Ave C Terrace entrance first.
LOL @5:06pm
Lady Maya's working on the music for your ears. Big duh.
I love the market. Glad to have it back.
Has anybody asked the question: What has been done to protect Peter Cooper Village from hurricane flooding? By the time all the damaged basements are reopened in Peter Cooper (projected to be September 2013) there could be multiple hurricanes, some of which might produce similarly threatening storm surges. The entire property has now been thrust into Fema's new flood zone maps. We are sitting ducks Why are people still willing to rent here and pay those prices???
"I love the market. Glad to have it back."
Agreed, I just wish I didn't have to buy my food from a toilet.
Yummy.
Dog run / farmer's market.
How lazy can folks be that they can't or won't walk/bus/cab/bike up to Union Square to a world class farmers market...
There should be NO commercial activities in the oval or anywhere on the property.
I just got the hell out of PCV a few weeks ago. To be honest, I miss it like hell, because I made a nice home there. But keeping up with your blog helps me remember why I left.
September 2013 to get back into basements in PCV? What on earth?
Good riddance to do nothing Dan Garodnick!!
Heaven help us all with Mayor Quinn.
Glad to be here that all us market raters are "Suckers".
"Glad to be here that all us market raters are "Suckers"."
You sure are! Paying top dollar for this place is the sure sign of a sucker! Our kindly landlord loves you, though. Just so long as you don't ask for repairs, laundry equipment that works (in some buildings, laundry equipment at all) and don't mind the general decay and sluminess of the place. Wasn't always like this. Only since it went "luxury!" LOL!
"Glad to be here that all us market raters are "Suckers"."
What exactly does that comment mean?
Does GrowNYC know their Greenmarket is set up on a dog toilet?
Off the topic but...lately every morning from 8-8:15am from my window I can see one of our considerate dog owners walk his bulldog through the first big grassy area past the guard house of PCV. The area is clearly posted "No Dogs" but this dumb SOB walks through anyhow. And of course no passerby says anything. How in the world do we ever get out of this mess Tishman-Speyer created?
http://escapestuytown.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/an-update-on-grownyc-and-the-stuy-town-greenmarket/
So Dan and etc....
what about the buyout?
I'm so embarrassed for these politicians and the town hall meetings on this!
the street party! the big announcement. OMFH
I suggest simply boycotting the greenmarket. It's dirty and overpriced anyway. The gm at Union Square is much better.
There are actually three criteria in the NYC Zoning Resolution for determining whether something like the farmer's market qualifies as an accessory use for a residentially zoned lot, such as ST. The market may satisfy two of the three but it would be difficult to see how it meets the third criteria - (b) is a use which is clearly incidental to, and customarily found in connection with, such principal use.
In ST's 60 some odd years of existence prior to the opening of the market, the residents and management made do without a market. In addition, if I recall correctly, based on a review of the GrowNYC website, is the only - I repeat - the only market in NYC that can be found on a residential lot. Most, like the one a Union Sq and the one at Tompkins Sq, are located on sidewalks adjacent to NYC parks. Hard to see how our market is one that is customarily found on residentially zoned lots.
The market, like the rink and the other so called Oval essential were and are nothing more than marketing efforts. Council Member Garodnick was correct the first time - the market is a zoning violation. His capitulation to CW Capital on this issue is an indelible stain on his record.
A dog story...
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/park_is_going_to_the_dogs_o3cjSkHwlh5jlNLQLbaidN
"dog story...
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/park_is_going_to_the_dogs_o3cjSkHwlh5jlNLQLbaidN"
Good article. Not unlike the stytown toilet, dog owner arguments always hark back to the problem being with people who don't want shit and piss in the plantings and grass. It's literally the same responses from dog owners that we get here. Never ming the ignoring of posted signs. "If you don't like it, move to the suburbs." "This is the city, get used to it." etc, etc.
"If you don't like it, move to the suburbs."
We get a lot of that BS here, don't we?
I haven't seen a dog sign since last summer.
Dog signs were put back up around the Oval recently.
"Dog signs were put back up around the Oval recently."
And they are ignored.I saw within 30 minutes 2 separate instances of owners letting their dogs walk on the Greenmarket gravel extension. I yelled at one of them, he ignored me just like he ignored the signs. Our laundry baskets have signs saying that are not to be taken out of the laundry room. Ignored. Lease requirements requires that rugs or carpeting must cover 80% of all floors at all times. Ignored. Food waste should not be placed it in the recycling or trash bins or leaving it anywhere in the Carriage Room. Ignored . Disposal of bulk Items and furniture should not be placed in the re cycle locations but should be placed at the loop road locations at the designated schedule . Ignored. I could go on and on. The “Broken Windows” urban strategy is obviously not followed here by management.
BTW, the dog registration system is an honor system (LOL!), the documents including breed type can be scanned and then emailed to management. WTF? I guess that huge Doberman Pinscher I saw with its owner coming out of my building was a Chihuahua.
As per that NY Post article, Herzog said, “We all have to learn to be able to live with each other. That’s city life. If you don’t like it, move to the suburbs.” First of all, this excuse is used all the time for all sorts of narcissistic behavior by a typical transient or new NYC resident who usually just came from the suburbs. The irony. The creator of the EV Grieve blog places a special type of mockery for this line.
What’s the solution here? At this point I see the only way to even partially address these issues is to treat CWC and CompassRock as being in a 100% adversarial relationship with the tenants, confront them at all times and expose and embarrass them PR wise with media exposure. This blog, The Escape blog and the TA FB page do have some impact.
Mixed feelings but might as well enjoy it. There are some nice products there if you pick and choose. Even if it is not the be all end all some of us wish it would be. The "bread alone" stuff is good.
"Mixed feelings but might as well enjoy it. There are some nice products there if you pick and choose. Even if it is not the be all end all some of us wish it would be. The "bread alone" stuff is good."
It's still a dogs' toilet and an illegal commercial intrusion into what used to be a beautiful lawn.
well said 4/3 319P:
"It's still a dogs' toilet and an illegal commercial intrusion into what used to be a beautiful lawn."
Not to me, I love it. Lawns are so out of fashion and ecologically unsound anyway--waste of water, not native, uses lots of poisons. I love the farmers market.
"Not to me, I love it. Lawns are so out of fashion and ecologically unsound anyway--waste of water, not native, uses lots of poisons. I love the farmers market."
you are either an idiot or a troll.
Perhaps the same person who wrote to T&V this week to suggest a 10% quota system (at least) be put in place of allowing outsiders into the greenmarket, etc.
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