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Saturday, August 10, 2013

Bullshit on the TA Facebook Page

I can't post on the TA Facebook page, having been removed by the admin for not posting under my real name (yeah, that would be great, wouldn't it!?), but I have to call out a poster and his clique who misrepresent the old folks vs. the young folks issue in Stuy Town/PCV.  I won't name the gentleman, who I'm pretty sure tries to get similar absurdist comments through here, but this is some of what he wrote:

I think a good exercise would be for me to post something about "old people" or "elderly residents" or "long time tenants" every single time one of them yells at me from their wheel chair for no reason, or yells racial slurs at the young Indian men using the playground, or asks a young Asian woman on her way home from work if she speaks English, or barks orders at me in the laundry room to get this or that for her.

I've been living in Stuy Town for over 25 years, and I've yet to come across anything similar to the above, with one exception.  There is one old timer here who is in a wheelchair and is assisted by a caretaker, and who is obviously handicapped and not just physically.  When he's at the Oval area (rarely), he can be heard barking out this and that, kinda letting his mind roam free, with his voice amplifying what's in his mind.

This exception is not spread out enough to be even remotely considered a generality.  Now, taking a look at the students that are packed into this complex, we have to admit that, while many are good neighbors, there are a number (and not just the solitary exception) who make noise at inopportune times of the night, do not have rug coverings on their floors, and whose sense of entitlement grates and devalues any sense of community this complex may have had.

But even this is not the crucial issue.  Sorry, but the crucial issue is that the presence of transient students has a negative effect on Stuyvesant Town/Peter Cooper, period.  For one, it allows and validates the high rental prices that CWCaptial charges.  If it weren't for the hordes of students waiting to get into this complex (you can see them everyday at the leasing office), the landlord would have to drop rental prices, which would then be more affordable to a more permanent leaser.  For another, the packing in of an excess number of transitory tenants into apartments (many of which have been "upgraded" to extra rooms than original built for) means that resources are being maxed out in the building and in the complex itself.  Stuy Town is beginning to look overused like other parts of the city.  The sense of an oasis in the middle of Manhattan is being lost.  Part of this downgrade can be explained by the "Oval is a funhouse" tactics of the landlord, of course, but I've never seen the Oval area so much used and abused as it is now.  A respite from the mad rush of Manhattan?  Yes, still there, but not the way it was.  And it's going to get worse, I fear.

Transient students also have no need of belonging to the ST/PCV community.  There's no reason for them to belong to the TA, for instance.  They are a gift horse to the landlord in more ways than one.  The more of them, the less possible a TA and tenant force that can make an impact in numbers.

So while I welcome young students here, who do bring a sense of aliveness and vibrancy into this place, I also recognize that in the bigger picture they make affordable housing far less likely and the tranquility and sense of community of this place seriously problematic.

66 comments:

Anonymous said...

That post on the TA Facebook was one of the stupidest ones that has ever been let through. Btw, people do post under fake names on that site. One of the most verbose posters, who chimes in on EVERY topic, uses a fake name. She gets away with it because she is a activist member of the TA.

Roger That said...

Jason's a film student, he's supposed to have an imagination. But the kid is defensive, too. And self-righteous and oblivious.

Things would be different if the landlord wasn't only renting to students. Despite the constant apartment-churning in our building, we haven't seen a family move in in two years, just very young kids in groups of three and the results have been predictable.

Jason doesn't get, or want to get, that's it's more than just the noise, the late nite weekday parties, and empty beer cans and trash piled up in the lobby outside the recycling room. It's that the landlord is using these kids to jack up legal rents in regulated apartments to levels way above market rate (every time a tenant vacates a rent regulated apartment, the landlord gets to jack the rent up 15%-20% on the next tenant).

Maybe if the kids stuck around, it'd be different. But they don't and it's ruining our community. Got it?

Also. What you did to Sandi Bachom was beneath contempt.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, STR, for saying this!
And how dumb for them to stop you from posting on the TA page. Your knowledge and experience is valuable and your input is a glaring omission from their page, which gets sillier all the time. This particular bullshitting guy should be banned. Go figure.

Anonymous said...

Try using the name Bud Wiser. They'll let you post.

Anonymous said...

Hey, STR, you don't think there are aren't people using "pseudonyms" on the TA FB? Puhleezze! Maybe you shouldn't have called yourself "Carlos Danger!"

As for the little twit who wrote that longwinded post about oldsters, he makes it sound like all of us long time tenants are in wheel chairs, dribbling and screaming dementedly. There may be one or two, but most of us are more couth, quiet, social and patient than all the OMG girls and Bro's put together. Some of the younger tenants (if you can call them that as they are really transients) are very nice. Most of them are very nice, in fact. Some of them are vapid losers and I feel sorry for them because that's what they'll always be. Mommy and Daddy didn't do a good job of teaching them reality. Takes all sorts in this world and PCVST has a good mixture of all sorts, IMO, the good, the bad and the ugly!

Anonymous said...

And bullshit it is.

One has to wonder why the TA gives people like this a soapbox.

I sure hope it's not simply in exchange for a measly $35 membership fee...

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't the TA's six moderators remove this bile??? I know, I know, they're all volunteers so we can't criticize them.

This rant is another example of the self-entitled, narcissistic, pieces of shit we must live with now in Stuy Dorms. I was happy seeing a bunch of kids herded up like cattle in mommy's car today with a U-Haul trailing. Go sip a Frappuccino back in Nutley, NJ where you belong!

It is very, very unlikely this punk was privy to all the things he says he was. People of all ages and demographics act like children at times - read the TA page - but to claim people on wheelchairs yell at him or racial slurs are being hurled on the playground, and all the other improbable items on his punch list of hatred, I say, bullshit!

You want people to stop stereotyping you and your friends? Act like adults. It's that simple. This community, and the city in general, is not a place for you people to come and behave like assholes for two years, get blackout drunk, vomit on everything, piss in the stairwells, shit in the bushes, toss your thongs into the trees, and racking up a free clinic's-worth of STDs before moving on to another city. To a lot of us, this place is home, and will remain so.

As your kind often says, "If you don't like it... wait for it... MOVE!"

Anonymous said...

Stuy Town has continued to get worse and there's no reason to think it will change.

CWCAPITAL charges rents that are not affordable to the average working couple. They divide up apartments because filling them with 3-4 unrelated roommates is the only way they can rent at the rates they decide on. This problem is self created and perpetuated by CWCAPITAL. The apartments are old and are not worth the money.

Making matters worse, CWCAPITAL drove out Rose Associates and replaced them with a subsidiary company with not a fraction of the experience managing both the volume of people and the high maintenance demographic they cater to. Old apartments + poor management + large student population = hell.

There's no place left to escape the noise of living here. CWCAPITAL doesn't enforce it's own basic living policies so I can hear every move my neighbors make. They constantly rip up plants and trees, leaf blow, rip up more plants and trees, leaf blow again, mow lawn, kills lawns, replant lawns and now the Oval is nothing more than a theme park.

I'm not renewing my lease next year. I refuse to participate in this cycle of tenant abuse any longer.

Anonymous said...

Well said STR. There is ZERO enforcement of the QOL regulations here. Anyway, I have my Duke cup so why should give shit. :)

Anonymous said...

It's not young vs. old, or rich vs. poor. It's long-time neighbors vs. 1-2 year transients. That's the real issue.

I was 25 when I moved here, 30 years ago, so it'd be pretty silly for me to complain about people in their 20s moving here now. But the difference is that I, and just about everyone else moving in, planned to stay here, long term.

So, we made sure our floors were covered so our downstairs neighbors needn't hear every step we take (and Met was gonna check anyway), and we got to know and made an effort to get along with everyone on the floor. Some were well educated and well off, others less so, but you knew who your neighbors were and you knew you could trust them.

That's what's wrong with the high turnover rate that management (for lack of a better, printable word) is currently pursuing.

Anonymous said...

That's too bad since I always loved the old avatar pic you used to use on FB. Maybe if you opened an STR FB account they'd consider letting you post using that? Worth a try. With the forum you provide to this community they can surely understand your need for anonymity. At least posting under STR isn't a fake name, exactly, as it's just your blog's FB iteration. Think about it.

Anonymous said...

This type of post at the TAFB page goes to show the conflict at the heart of the TA today. It used to be that we were a community of fairly single character and the TA could truly speak for us as a whole. Now that's not the case. So obvious issues aside like lack of service or hotel-type renting, in many situations the TA has to figure out where to place its chips. With the old guard or with the new that CW has helped create. But the TA is being led by Garodnick and he sees the future with the new. So for those that post here, the vile post at the TA site reaffirms what you already know. Don't look to the TA for much of anything. Not this TA. And what a kick in the head the possible conversion has been for Garodnick. He thought he was playing ball with CW by siding with the newer tenants (future voters) and making the alliance with Brookfield. Now it seems that CW would like to be the owner & isn't even talking to Garodnick. Weird justice.

Anonymous said...

Notice the TA's support of the green market when they used to care about zoning laws? Two faces for sure.

Richie Beretta said...

I'm a fairly new tenant living here 3 years, 30yrs old, own my own business, and I agree with everything everyone on this blog is saying. The sad truth is that not many people my age who live here even give a shit about the place to raise a fuss about the careless students who move in an out within a year.

I came here to be amongst normal New Yorkers, as native New Yorker myself. I understand why the older folks get so upset- this is their home- most grew up here - and now it's treated as a personal ATM for big business real estate and a play ground for self entitled yuppy students. I feel your pain guys - just know that their is some one who (maybe) is younger and feels the same way you do. It breaks my heart to see what NYC is turning into.

The kid who wrote this is a moron btw as are most of the kids that live here. I was in one of the focus groups held by CW capital after the rent increase happened - they were sorted by age group - I could tell you guys stories about the people my age living amongst you - it made me want to move.

Anonymous said...

Richie: We'd love to hear your stories, and we'd love to hear what the questions were. This is the first time I'm hearing about focus groups. Just goes to show that CW is spending money on focus groups, which they wouldn't need if they managed this place properly. It's just corporate masturbation. Wonder how long it took them to analyze the results.

An Oldster in Training said...

Richie Beretta (4:33PM), nice to hear that it's not just us old-er tenants who take issue (is hate to strong a word?)and are disappointed in the self-entitled, self-absorbed, brats who are merely passing through our home. Please, do tell us the stories you heard in the Focus Group-- the stories that made you want to move. Wait. Let me guess. Did someone tell one of them to do something after they got caught behaving badly? Were they asked to put a rug, any rug larger than a bathmat, down cause they were sick of hearing every single sound through the bare floors? Did they ask them to hold the door for them once (how DARE they?!?)? Ask them to leash their pitbull? Beg them to crack a window to cut down on the fog of pot smoke lingering in a cloud outside the elevators? See them peeing underneath the windows of their "M" apartment and ask them to do it upstairs, in their own bathroom, instead? Please tell us! We REALLY want to know what an under-40 (Jason's apparent cutoff age for old farthood) thought might be considered unreasonable, irresponsible behavior. Maybe, since you haven't been here quite as long as some of us, and because you're only 30, you have some insight and can recommend to us (management is obviously a lost cause) how to get them to change their behaviors. Seriously! We need help! Maybe whatever you suggest might work since what we all suggest seems not to. But mostly, we want to hear the stories, especially told from the perspective of an under-40. Hopefully, we're not too old & enfeebled to understand what you tell us.

Anonymous said...

August 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Your second sentence was on the money. The rest is laughably bass-ackswards. Read Bagli's book.

August 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM

The greenmarket issue was handled by Dan G, mgmt, and the city. As for TA "support" of it, J Roth, one of the TA board guys wrote a very unhappy letter to T&V about the greenmarket, another board member is a neighbor who refuses to shop there despite my recommendations about the amazing corn from Samascott.

Personally, I'm one of those people who likes having the greenmarket on the Oval -- we just bought corn there today. The market is pretty popular with people judging by the regular crowds -- if it wasn't generating $$$, the farmers wouldn't bother coming back week after week.

Anonymous said...

Great post, Richie Beretta, and thank you! I'm sure if I had been at those focus groups I would have not only wanted to move, but to throw up as well!

Anonymous said...

Richie Beretta - What was the purpose of the CWCapital focus groups??

Anonymous said...

STR - Since no one knows who you are, why can't you just post under your real name on the TA's Facebook page??

Stuy Town Reporter said...

I think it'd become obvious who I was after a while. The "real me" and STR would have the same opinions and use the same phrases.

Anonymous said...

Who is Garodnick running against in his quest for another term as a fucking useless Council member?

Anonymous said...

So why not post as the Stuyvesant Town Report? It's a legit handle. The T&V posts as the T&V (as an example). They'd have to be alright with that since it's real.

Anonymous said...

Reading the comments makes me sadly convinced things are never going to change around here. You want the younger tenants to cooperate, let's start with a few key changes in attitude and thinking.

1) Most of the younger tenants are in fact not students, but working professionals starting out their career. Stop referring to them all as students living in a Dorm.

2) Stop calling them self entitled, and take a look in the mirror. They pay more in rent for their share of a converted 3 bedroom then you do for your entire apartment. Many of them have student debt up their eyeballs, and all of this to make $50 - $60K if they are lucky. You look like the self entitled brats when you scream and shout about how this is your "community" simply because you have been here longer and grandfathered yourselves into rent stabilization system.

3) You keep saying when I moved here at 25 I was in it for the long haul and put down wall to wall carpeting. Per my point above, the same rent advantages that you had at 25 are not available today. I guarantee that if you moved here today and were forced to pay $1500/month to share a 3 bedroom apartment you would be singing a different tune.

4) CW doesn't care who is moving in, regardless of whether it's young professionals or families. In fact many young families are moving here. The simply fact is that only young professionals willing to share small slices of an apartment are going to be willing to pay CW prices.

And my final point:

5) No landlord is going to charge less then market rent to "preserve a community." It's just not going to happen. We need to learn to live with each other, knowing a large portion of the residents will only be here for a few years due to Manhattan rental prices.

Anonymous said...

There is one point that gets lost: the so-called "transient" people at PCVST are no more transient than all market-rate tenants all over the City. But you wouldn't know that because you are used to your tiny slice of the world where people pay a fraction of the market-rate rent. Out in AMERICA, young people move around. That is just what they do. It is NORMAL.

Anonymous said...

The TA Facebook page is only good for selling treadmills and watching grown women fight with each other. You're not missing much STR.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>There is one point that gets lost: the so-called "transient" people at PCVST are no more transient than all market-rate tenants all over the City. But you wouldn't know that because you are used to your tiny slice of the world where people pay a fraction of the market-rate rent. Out in AMERICA, young people move around. That is just what they do. It is NORMAL.<<

So you like this state of affairs? Forget about the students or the "young professionals." What about the young married couple who wants to raise a family here? Do they just want to move around endlessly, or do they want to set up roots somewhere, perhaps in Stuy Town/PCV? And, perhaps if rents were affordable here, they could do just that.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>1) Most of the younger tenants are in fact not students, but working professionals starting out their career. Stop referring to them all as students living in a Dorm.<<

Do you know this for a fact? Walk by the leasing office and look inside once in a while.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>2) Stop calling them self entitled, and take a look in the mirror. They pay more in rent for their share of a converted 3 bedroom then you do for your entire apartment. Many of them have student debt up their eyeballs, and all of this to make $50 - $60K if they are lucky. You look like the self entitled brats when you scream and shout about how this is your "community" simply because you have been here longer and grandfathered yourselves into rent stabilization system.<<

I feel your pain and annoyance, but I do not weep. Yes, the old timers were here before you and they certainly don't need your high rents to keep this place going. It was doing fine without the packing in of students/"young professionals" and your money and, yes, your sense of entitlement. My only sense of entitlement is the will to live decently and in peace in the place I've called home for over 25 years. We're the original Indians here, paleface. It's the high number of your group that has raised rents because you accepted these rents. And when you came in, you knew what the story was. So play the sad violin someplace else. It's not working here.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>3) You keep saying when I moved here at 25 I was in it for the long haul and put down wall to wall carpeting. Per my point above, the same rent advantages that you had at 25 are not available today. I guarantee that if you moved here today and were forced to pay $1500/month to share a 3 bedroom apartment you would be singing a different tune.<<

Dear lord, I hope I would not be singing YOUR tune. BTW, can't you find a better place with a doorman and central AC at least?

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>4) CW doesn't care who is moving in, regardless of whether it's young professionals or families. In fact many young families are moving here. The simply fact is that only young professionals willing to share small slices of an apartment are going to be willing to pay CW prices.<<

And if they pay up, then they accept and solidify CW prices for EVERYONE.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>5) No landlord is going to charge less then market rent to "preserve a community." It's just not going to happen. We need to learn to live with each other, knowing a large portion of the residents will only be here for a few years due to Manhattan rental prices.<<

But that's what the fight is about. Affordable housing in Manhattan for everyone. That's where we can unite, and not just give up and wait for higher rents and more of the middle class disappearing from this island.

Anonymous said...

Many of the young families I met in recent years have been ,or are being , forced to move due to the high rents , exacerbated in some cases, by the outrageous mid-lease increases. Most of the new tenants I see moving in are clearly groups of single students or recent grads. As someone who moved into the complex many years ago when I was in my mid-20s, I enjoy the next generation moving in, provided they treat the other tenants with respect and don't try to turn my building into a dorm. To date, my building has fortunately had little bad experience with new tenants- that is obviously not the case in some other buildings.
I think I speak for many of us middle-aged and older "old timers" that we welcome the next generation of tenants, particularly families who will more likely( than students) stay awhile.What we object to are those new tenants (of which there are too many) who are so self-absorbed that it is irrelevant to them whether their behavior adversely affects their neighbors.Such tenants would have been evicted by MetLife (assuming they were somehow able to rent an apartment from Metlife). Today CW actively courts such tenants because they are looking for groups of singles to pack into apartments who will move in a couple of years (thus enabling CW to further jack up the rent through yet another vacancy increase as well as additional "improvements" to the apartments}.

Anonymous said...

Unity? What a joke! Has anyone read the TA Facebook page lately? It's nothing but fighting. Some things never change and never will. Bring back Al Doyle!

Anonymous said...

" And if they pay up, then they accept and solidify CW prices for EVERYONE"

STR - I just don't understand your point here. The market price for a StuyTown apartment is what it is. A prospective renter doesn't want to pay such high prices, but they don't have a choice if they want to live here. For many it's a choice between paying more to live here in the East Village, or paying less but having to live out in Bushwick or Queens.

Simply wishing this new waive of reverse suburban immigration never happened is ridiculous and unrealistic. There here, they will continue to come here, and they will continue to be willing to pay to live here.

Anonymous said...

Whoever wrote the post about changes in attitude & thinking...there isn't going to be any kumbaya moment here and your chiding the older tenants certainly isn't a right step in the direction. It's just an example of why there isn't going to be any kumbaya. If you want to see any possible bonding between the older & newer tenants, check out Richie Beretta's post. That's the tone of a New Yorker.

Anonymous said...

I stopped reading their page a long time ago. Too much fighting. No moderation. It's like a crazy bingo hall. Al Doyle must be rolling in his grave.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>STR - I just don't understand your point here. The market price for a StuyTown apartment is what it is. A prospective renter doesn't want to pay such high prices, but they don't have a choice if they want to live here. For many it's a choice between paying more to live here in the East Village, or paying less but having to live out in Bushwick or Queens.<<

Well, yeah, if they want to live in Stuy Town, they have pay Stuy Town prices. But that's a choice. No new renter is forced to live here. And, yes, anyone who pays what CWCapital charges is solidifying and encouraging the high rental rates. One way to fight against this is to make sure that the law is obeyed by not having four unrelated people in an apartment or by making sure that building code laws are enforced when a wall/partition is built.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Also, major point not yet discussed, the $3 billion plus default on ST/PCV should NOT be a burden placed on tenants. It is a crime that this is so. Where are the politicians on this, aside from empty talk?

Anonymous said...

It's funny how Stuyvesant Town only became located in the East Village and Peter Cooper Village became located in Gramercy since Tishman Speyer bought it.

I agree about the TA facebook page. Little to no moderation (what happened to Crazy Eddie?) and then a very Mother Superiorish swoop when the moderator does wake up. Most of the posts are just silly women sniping at each other.

BTW, Al Doyle is not dead so please don't refer to him rolling in his grave!

Anonymous said...

Still not sure why anyone would want to pay so much money for one of these apartments in addition to the big bucks needed to build and remove the pressure walls.

Anonymous said...

It's going to be hard for Al Doyle to spin in his grave considering he's very much alive.

Anonymous said...

STR the TA has some nerve blocking you from their Facebook page. They should make an exception for you considering how frequently post information which helps them. More bad politics on part of the TA. Tsk. Tsk.

Anonymous said...

My apologies, I thought his work with the TA drove him to an early grave. I'm happy to hear he jumped off the sinking ship!

Anonymous said...

The TA doesn't allow sock puppets or aliases but its acceptable for them to allow several of their members to use the "Peter Stuyvesant" sock puppet to moderate and scold people? STR stop posting their information until they let you on their page. Your site is an invaluable tool for them. It's far more valuable than their stagnant website from the 1950s, a time when the TA was still relevant.

Anonymous said...

Who can have a conversation on the TA page with all the bickering?!?

Anonymous said...

NYC hasn't enforced not having four unrelated people in an apartment in probably 100 years. It probably had something to do with brothels.

Today i'ts like one of those silly laws that people laugh about on the internet:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/02/17-ridiculous-laws-still_n_481379.html

You only want that law enforced as a weapon, not because it makes any sense.

Anonymous said...

Why isn't everybody who posts on the TA Facebook page required to use their real name?

Anonymous said...

When did Al Doyle die????

Anonymous said...

Free Willy!!!

Anonymous said...

So the Escape Stuy Town author deleted his blog? Why?

Anonymous said...

Jason will soon learn that if you want to make it in this city as a filmmaker, don't piss people off. It's a small island.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>So the Escape Stuy Town author deleted his blog? Why?<<

I don't know. Sorry to see it go, if so.

Anonymous said...

For many it's a choice between paying more to live here in the East Village, or paying less but having to live out in Bushwick or Queens.

Downtown is hot. So are trendy parts of Brooklyn. Actually you can find much cheaper apartments on the UES. Murray Hill's cheaper, too. E and W Villages are ridiculously pricey, as is Gramercy Park.

Anonymous said...

The same money paid here yields a centrally air-conditioned, actual luxury, doorman building on the Upper East Side. The Upper West, too, still has good values, if you don't mind living several avenues west of the park. Cobble Hill, Sunset Park, and Boerum Hill ALL yield more bang for the buck than STPCV does.

These newbies are actually willing to pay more just to live here because, sadly, the marketing IS working! They are being directly targeted, spoken to AND catered to by our current management. These newbies are far too inexperienced as tenants to know that they're being "set up" (lured with temporarily lower priced rents & other assorted signing bonuses & incentives). It's not until after that first leasing period ends that they become, suddenly, enlightened. That's when they move to these other, better values.

Sadly, their brief residencies here serve only to add yet another 20% to their apts' ever-soaring legal rents. That and all their poor downstairs neighbors are likely now medicated AND have now keep PS on speed dial.

Anonymous said...

I am one of those temporary tenants and a college student. The generalizations are what I feel like he was trying to get at. Just because some of the younger residents throw loud parties all the time doesn't mean every single young person is going to do that. Personally my "older" neighbors thrown many more parties than me and my 3 roommates during the year and a half we have lived here.

Also to say that we're entitled is ridiculous. I chose to live in Sty town because it was a decent enough neighborhood that was in my price range. We didn't have much to work with and were forced to squeeze 4 of us into a one bedroom. With the price increase we're really struggling to get by and while I would love to stay here after I graduate, I simply can't afford it anymore.

Personally I find it funny that there is a temporary tenants versus long term tenants feud. In the end the real people screwing everyone over is the ownership.

Anonymous said...

August 14, 2013 at 10:54 PM

You didn't do much for your side with that comment.

Anonymous said...

Temporary tenants/college students are fine if you're part of a mix of new tenants (ie: families, young professionals, cops, teacherrs, nurses, etc). But there is no mix. The landlord is only renting to temporary tenants/college students so as to legally jack up rents making the place even more unaffordable than it already is.

Anonymous said...

@10:54PM, Apparently what you are failing to comprehend is multifold. First, a rent stabilized community is NO PLACE for short term tenants who, as the apartments "churn", sees the rent jacked 20% with each & every turnover. This is in addition to the increased rent.

Second, 4 unrelated persons in a NYC apartment is not legal. The thought of 4 of you squeezed into a 1 BR makes me think you didn't look terribly hard for housing as the poster @ 12:52PM notes, there are other, better alternatives available for the same money. Face it, you wanted what you wanted, WHERE you wanted it and management catered to you. No, you will not be able to stay after your lease expires, not even for your next lease since they will raise your "introductory" rent to the legal maximum. All you'll have to show for it is one year in the East Village (and the "cred" that affords you) and a legacy of having raised the rent on a unit by another outrageous 20% for the next guy to worry about. Way to be a part of the community! If you want to be a part of a community, plan on putting down roots. Don't move after the end of each leasing period. When you do that you ARE part of the problem and are simply exacerbating the very problem that plagues you, diminishing further the supply of affordable housing. THAT, more than anything, is the single biggest point of friction between old & new tenants here.

Third, Entitled? Perhaps you, unlike most, are not. I hesitate to even address this point when the subject has been exhaustively discussed elsewhere. Still, I must take issue with ANY newbie who moved here (for more than a year or two) because it's a good value. I also wonder if you are that rare 20 something who really has 80% of your floor areas covered as your lease requires. I could go endlessly listing reasons for the "feud" that you speak of. Yes, management is largely the root source of most of our ills. Still, it IS ABSOLUTELY their marketing to temporary tenants (like you) that has most rocked the stability of STPCV. If you cannot grasp that as the primary reason for any hostility you may sense, then perhaps you do need to live in a real dorm, before you're ready to live in an established, truly mixed, rent stabilized, adult (and family) community.

Anonymous said...

"Personally I find it funny that there is a temporary tenants versus long term tenants feud. In the end the real people screwing everyone over is the ownership."

you are so right about that, especially as 4 unrelated persons in a one-bedroom apartment (even if it's converted with pressure walls) is illegal under the City codes. I believe that arrangements constitutes a "tenement."

Anonymous said...

When the transients stop acting like they own the place, we'll stop calling them entitled. Did we forget side boob-gate already?!?

Anonymous said...

"sadly, the marketing IS working!"

It's not the marketing, people are willing to pay big bucks to live in the EV for a couple of years, and then decide they want/need more space.

Anonymous said...

"We didn't have much to work with and were forced to squeeze 4 of us into a one bedroom."

Boo Fucking Hoo.

Anonymous said...

Hey temporary tenant. Stop smoking under my window, shitting in the stairwells and throwing thongs into the trees. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

4 unrelated people in a one bedroom apartment is illegal, isn't it???

Anonymous said...

So much for living the NYC life. 3 roommates sounds less like luxury and more like the old tenements of the 1890s. Good job Andrew MacArthur! You invented time travel!