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Management has two priorities: 1) Making sure money is made, hence upgrading and filling up apartments is their goal. "Amenities" are important in selling the place, though few residents use them. 2) If someone needs medical attention, Public Safety will be there, if alerted.

Quality of life issues are not that important, however. They tend to be ignored, despite "the rules." So you will see a lot that isn't taken care of properly, and complaints will be met with a creative excuse and a smile.

"Peace and quiet" must be a cruel joke, though this property is sold that way. There can be no peace and quiet as ALL apartments must be upgraded, which includes the installation of an AC unit below the window. Aside from the continual construction about the neighborhood, there is a new and noisy subway extension being built along East 14 st and the shut down of the L line. "Choosing" to live in NYC, now the newest mantra, is a fabrication when the talk is of ST and PCV, which was traditionally quiet, with no construction noise.

Though money was always important, it is now more important than ever. Money rules many things, as you will find.

At this point, 30 years into living here and seeing many things, I can state that Management and their reps are BS-ing us. I can't say that loudly enough: We are being BS-ed. I don't see any genuine change. Sorry.

Sunday, September 28, 2014

Would you prefer to live in a community that feels like an extension of a college campus or a suburban community?

Click photo to make larger.

The question isn't answered in this Street Easy listing for 3 Stuyvesant Oval #MD. Note the recessed AC unit, which I believe that apartment does not have. Nor would an M apartment have such a view. The broker is Citi Habitats, which is the "exclusive" broker for Stuyvesant Town/Peter Cooper Village. Really, the chutzpah of implying that our community feels like a suburban one and not an extension of a college campus! Why is it that everyone who deals with ST/PCV on a business level has no shame or is a comedian?

http://streeteasy.com/building/stuyvesant-town/md

Also note the "Price History" of this apartment:


Steep increases for a "rent-stabilized" apartment!

76 comments:

Anonymous said...

It also promotes Verizon Fios with the ad and link. Vested interest and shady deal verizon marketed in real estate listings.

Anonymous said...

Notice it says
8,756 units
13 stories
35 buildings
Built in 1945

It does not include Peter Cooper Village in the unit and building count.

Stuyvesant Town, has 8,757 apartments in 35 residential buildings and with its sister development, Peter Cooper Village – located between 20th and 23rd Streets – the complex has a combined 56 residential buildings,[2] 11,250 apartments, and over 25,000 residents

Anonymous said...

That price history is shameful. Nice going Dan.





Anonymous said...

False advertising is a crime. Just another crime here in PCVST money laundering price gouging scheme.

Anonymous said...

When you consider that previously people generally lived here 20-40+ years, the 20% increase on turn over was more than justified. But renting to students results in something the law never anticipated. It's a gaping loophole that CW is exploiting. BTW, when I complained to building mgt that they had rented next door to students who were noisy, mgt came back and told me they weren't students. Pure bullshit. So in many cases don't even expect them to admit to what they've done.

Anonymous said...

That doesn't include the steep charges they add after you move in!

Anonymous said...

What if I want TW or Rcn? i still pay ?

Anonymous said...

who cares how many units it says we have? Why is this relevant?

Anonymous said...

CR monthly flyer with movie dates and times of chair yoga says we should all check out ST on yelp.

Anonymous said...

When you consider that previously people generally lived here 20-40+ years, the 20% increase on turn over was more than justified.

What?? That would assume that salaries and pay wages increase commensurate to cost of living and rents but it does not so NO it is not justified. And it is not justified to have all apartments at one high rent - there need to be low, middle and high rents. We are becoming a city with low and high and no middle. So NO. It is not justified to wipe out the middle class white collar workers anymore than it is ok to wipe out the lower blue collar workers All so the rich get richer. This sympathy for the rich needs to be checked.

Anonymous said...

Brazen acts against the community met by years of deafening silence and assistance from the PCVST Tenant Association.

Thanks STR for being the only honest voice for us.

Anonymous said...

At our wits end here with noisy kids above us playing soccer in the living room with no concern for those next to them and below them. Bloody hell. Can anyone recommend a lawyer they've used for such? Called security, they confirm and confirm. Donalda does squwat. RUDEST FUCKING NEIGHBORS ON THE PLANET live here and I'M SUING THEM.

Anonymous said...

BTW, there are zero, I repeat, zero apartments with recessed A/Cs in 3 Stuy Oval. Like 99% of the advertising for this dump, all fake, all the time, its for the clueless fly-over state students, just post college millennials and their financiers, their parents.

I guess they don’t include PCV since after CWC took possession; they are now two separate legal entities, ST and PCV.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>Brazen acts against the community met by years of deafening silence and assistance from the PCVST Tenant Association.<<

Brazen acts, yes. But the TA has tried to fight against these (at times). Not with the stamina and take-no-prisoners attitude I would like, but they try.

Anonymous said...

If we are two separate entities then lets have two Tenant Associations. Problem is who would get stuck with the Marsh Steinberg one. They are failing at EVERYTHING and I am starting to think it is on purpose since new owners Brookfield want the same thing as old owners Tishman CW.

Anonymous said...

First, the fix is in...so when the place is sold, it will go to Fortress. Second, Fortress will NOT offer a conversion. Will stay rental. And the reason is in STR's post. The legal rents are getting effectively jacked up by student churn. This is so effective that when market rates rise higher, Fortress will start raising the rents which means a lot more money coming in over the next 10 yrs. The only thing that can defeat this is if the students get wise, start holding on to apartments (not vacating after use), start subletting and cleaning up themselves. Of course that means this place will turn into a carnival because they'll rent to other students but it's already headed in that direction anyhow so what the hell. What a laugh it would be if the students themselves started screwing CR/CW. Love to hear those bastards start whining when they're the ones getting hurt.

Anonymous said...

Donald's is paid to do sqwat and she does it superbly. She is a total waste of space.

Anonymous said...

NYU is screwing the students out of the leases. The students can't keep the apartments because Fortress Novogratz NYU are renting to themselves and the students are subleases.

http://www.med.nyu.edu/about-us/who-we-are/medical-center-leadership/trustees

Anonymous said...

Donald is on the Harassment Team. Their motto is "CHURN, BABY! CHURN." She probably gets commission on every tenant who is driven out because of her complicity with the neighbors from hell.

Giovanni said...

That rent history shows a 60% increase in just under 2 years, which basically matches the giant increases in income everyone who already lives here received, am I right?

The next mass eviction happens automatically when there just are too few people who want to live in a suburban dormitory at these insane prices.

Apr├Ęs moi, le bulldozer.

Anonymous said...

HAS ANYONE NOT RECIEVE THEIR RENT STATMENTS YET?

Anonymous said...

Week 3 in a row of jackhammers at First Ave Loop Office Building.

Anonymous said...

"they are now two separate legal entities, ST and PCV."

Over the course of 60+ years ST and PCV have been combined and separated several times for several different reasons.

At one point Speyer separated them and burned through tons of suckered in investor money exaggerating distinguishing characteristics.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>Week 3 in a row of jackhammers at First Ave Loop Office Building.<<

I thought the TA was promised that there would be NO jackhammering?

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>HAS ANYONE NOT RECIEVE THEIR RENT STATMENTS YET?<<

Not good news. Probably means extra time was needed to affix new MCIs.

Anonymous said...

We have had jack hammering all year long.

No Jack Hammering is another Steinberg Marsh lie from their fake tenant forum that was a cover up sham forum led by CW with lies from DOB Dan Marsh and Steinberg. That meeting was shameful. Steinberg quoted in the fake newspaper there would be no jack hammering. LIE LIE LIE

Anonymous said...

STR -- Or it means they got caught misapplying the MCI charges and the Riverton lawsuit is bringing that to light so they have to adjust their computers to correctly apply them for the time being. We need more information on the Riverton lawsuit.

Anonymous said...

STR,What new MCI's? I already paid for my elevators and roof.

Anonymous said...

Not only going to the dogs. Also going to pot. Right in front of 370 1st Ave on bench by the playground. 2 girls smoking joints. A guy and girl right next to them sharing a joint. What next?

Anonymous said...

Not only going to the dogs. Also going to pot. Right in front of 370 1st Ave on bench by the playground. 2 girls smoking joints. A guy and girl right next to them sharing a joint. What next?
...

A couple of Black or Hispanic kids doing that would probably be put in chokeholds by the cops.

Anonymous said...

Came home to jack hammers. Again.

Anonymous said...

The ironic part about the pot smoking is that if someone one were taking slugs out of open bottles of booze, security might say something. With pot, they just look the other way. Over time pot will become more of a problem when student pot parties start cranking up and the acrid smell permeates a whole floor.

Anonymous said...

Know my neighbors, and that apartment is not renovated nor even vacant.

Anonymous said...

That is a huge office building that will have a lot of people coming and going. Goodbye to quality of life on the First Ave Loop! Didn't someone say there will be more than 1000 people using that office everyday? What a mess.

Anonymous said...

Then Donalda will be responsible and reported. Notifying lawyers of noise issue with her name as well.

Anonymous said...

Got my rent statement. Unfortunately far too $$ for this shithole.

Anonymous said...

All the politicians know we have serious problems here and all they seem to be doing is helping their RE buddies at Brookfield instead of helping their constituents, the residents here. We need to do what Riverton is doing or we will drown in the charges that don't add up. Nothing adds up. The 60% rent increase on that empty apartment is a load of crap. Every year I and everyone at my company get a 2-5% increase except for the years there are raise freezes. meanwhile they raised that rent 60% and we never get a rent freeze (thank you Deputy Mayor Alicia Glen). The rent on that apartment is ridiculous and the only ones who can afford it are a load of roommates and occupants. This is such crap!

Anonymous said...

Old school RS tenant here, got my Oct 2014 rent statement, no charge. For now. We will see.

Anonymous said...

CR and CWC and TS all use the 'shitty renovations, lipstick on a pig' to raise that rent 60%. WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THIS FOLKS?

Anonymous said...

"Over time pot will become more of a problem when student pot parties start cranking up and the acrid smell permeates a whole floor."

Excuse me, but that has already happened on my floor. The stench of skunk pot knocks us over. I have purchased a little rug to put up against my front door to keep the stench out. I called Security (what a joke) one day and the guy came up, sniffed the air and said: "Oh, yeah. That's marijuana." NO FUCKING SHIT, OFFICER STUPID!

Anonymous said...

“No Jack Hammering is another Steinberg Marsh lie from their fake tenant forum that was a cover up sham forum led by CW with lies from DOB Dan Marsh and Steinberg. That meeting was shameful. Steinberg quoted in the fake newspaper there would be no jack hammering. LIE LIE LIE"

I was at the PS 40 meeting. There were issues about the major construction (especially backhoe operations) being done before and later, weekends, etc., outside the DOB time/date regulation periods. That CWC violates those regulations post the meeting is a separate issue. Of course, CWC lies, that’s their MO. And the DOB, like the DHCR, is a semi corrupt agency at best. Where is the Steinberg quote in the “fake” (I assume you mean the T&V) newspaper regarding there would not be any “Jack Hammering”? I have done a search on the T&V blog and can’t find that quote anywhere. Please provide your source. Thanks. BTW, you can go to the T&V blog, put in their search engine “First Avenue Management Office“ to get all the articles related to this issue. Here is the relevant T&V article for the PS 40 meeting. The article is accurate. Again, I was there. Were you? Again, the TA has serious issues but let's have the facts here.

http://town-village.com/2014/02/21/mgmt-construction/

Anonymous said...

Why is there no outrage from politicians on the NYU dorms removing affordable housing illegally destroying this community?

Anonymous said...

My only question is this: how do you know that every single one of these younger people are students? You keep repeating it over and over, but what is your proof? Most of you think anyone under 40 is a student. I mean REALLY......

Anonymous said...

The $2995 rent (just below the $3000 number a trick used in real estate) is brazenly fraudulent. The rent history on this apartment no doubt includes renovation-gouging costs and gross inflation to get it above the $2500 threshold for removal from affordable housing and they got so greedy they inflated the rent to $5 below the $3000 mark to not raise red flags at DHCR as if that would matter.

Anonymous said...

Tenants need to protect ourselves because the TA and pols are not. They are protecting their business deal and we are paying the price in every way every months and more ways to come. We need to file a Riverton like lawsuit on the illegal leasing practices and charges. We need to start from there. We need to set demands and a deadline for the pols to get back to us rather than wait for the pols to make their secret deal with the developers and take whatever they say our fate is. They are not supposed to be playing with our fate for the benefit of their wealthy supporters. Unless we stop them we will fall victim to the corrupt deal and the years of assaults against us that got them the billion dollar deal.

This is the biggest failure to the middle class the country has seen. NY is a model of middle class failure no matter how they try to spin it otherwise.

Anonymous said...

8 OVAL: MAJOR BED BUG INFESTATION GOING ON!

Anonymous said...

OOOOOHHHHHH! YAAAAAAYYYYYY!!
The Ice skating rink is coming back! Isn't everyone happy??
Now I CAN'T use it for anything else, a right,( oh I'm sorry, a privelige) which is taken away from me. YAAAAAAAAAYYYY!!!!
More unnecessary noise especially on my weekend mornings. YAAAAAAYYYY!

Tommyboyardee said...

Wow! Even used car salesmen are cringing by the unethically challenged ad posting.CW does not appear to have reached their rock bottom yet, they will perhaps get their just deserts once the "CW Bunker" is complete.

Anonymous said...

"NYU is screwing the students out of the leases. The students can't keep the apartments because Fortress Novogratz NYU are renting to themselves and the students are subleases."

These are graduate level programs. The vast majority of students here (undergrads), be they NYU, New School, Parsons, etc. rent directly with the leasing office, their parents guaranteeing (this is the same for the just post college roommate dorm style apartment tenants as well) the lease. This has been well documented in Bagli's “Other People’s Money”, page 362-363.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>“Jack Hammering”? I have done a search on the T&V blog and can’t find that quote anywhere. Please provide your source.<<

I remember the "no jack-hammering" promise, or something very close to it. At the time I read that info, I figured the promise would be BS.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed on PCVST'S FACEBOOK page, "Apartment & Condo Building" is listed on the home page? CONDO???

Anonymous said...

"What CW did say, recalled Steinberg, was that the company hopes work can be done throughout the winter “when there’s less activity and less people walking by.” How long the project will take is uncertain, but what does help is that no jack hammering is anticipated due to a lack of bedrock under the building."

http://town-village.com/2013/10/18/cw-talks-plans-for-new-management-office/

There has been jack hammering all year. Some residents filed complaints earlier this year with the ever useful DOB.

Also in July T&V ran a press release - I mean a story on how the construction is almost complete. It is now October.

Like anyone believed any of these lies in the first place or that the "forum meeting" was a real meeting or for the tenants. That meeting was the fakest one yet and just to shut us up.

Anonymous said...

Here are the facts. At the forum they said no jack hammering because there was no bedrock and Steinberg repeated it in T&V.

http://town-village.com/2013/10/18/cw-talks-plans-for-new-management-office/

Anonymous said...

If you can't find the jack hammer quote in the T&V it is because T&V rewrites their real estate spin newsletters. T&V rewrote the crane collapse story at least 3 times! Hilarious. It is a joke!

Anonymous said...

Left message with the TA. No return call. Anyone talk with the TA recently. They seem only to talk at us with their website letters that say nothing about anything and everything. We need a TA that talks WITH us. Who do they think they are?

Anonymous said...

9:35 is right. Renting to students may be legal but it is clearly part of a strategy designed to jack up rents and make this place attractive to buyers that want to continue the rental paradigm. Like Fortress. As such, Garodnick, Kavanagh & Hoylman ought to be on the public relations war path for us. And yet we see no statements identifying and criticizing the student-MCI tactics. Let's vote these non-representatives out.

Anonymous said...

I remember them saying no jack hammers when they talked about noise. The TA is trolling here why haven't they admitted this even anonymously as they famously like to do? We know you are there TA. What is your comment on the jack hammers.

Anonymous said...

We are all getting "jack hammered".

Anonymous said...

September 28, 2014 at 6:41 PM

As I have written here before, a few years back there was a serious attempt to form an alterna-TA devoted strictly to the QOL issues that its founders felt the TA wasn't doing enough to address. The founders announced meetings online and in the T&V and it went exactly nowhere because nobody bothered to show up.

However, if you're talking about starting an alterna-TA dedicated solely to complaining online, then that would be a HUGE success!

Anonymous said...

Somebody up-thread asked for the name of an attorney because that commenter wants to take his or her noisy upstairs neighbors to court. That comment didn't get a single reply. Not one recommendation despite all the talk around here lately about people who intend to sic attorneys on their noisy neighbors.

Apparently, it's all talk.

Anonymous said...

STR

As September 29, 2014 at 8:52 PM notes, there is nothing in the T&V article about jack hammering.

I attended both new mgmt office meetings. There were a lot of issues raised -- roof height and skylights, trucks idling on the loop, noise and dust in general, but I recall no promises specifically made about jack hammers.

Anonymous said...

"How long the project will take is uncertain, but what does help is that no jackhammering is anticipated due to a lack of bedrock under the building."

I stand corrected.

Anonymous said...

The T&V article quotes Susan S as saying "no jackhammering is anticipated." That's not the same things as "there will be no jackhammering."

However, Susan S should have learned a lesson: let CWC speak for themselves. She got burned.

Anonymous said...

It IS all talk. I gather that Guterman has given up on us. Sometimes there is useful information. And sometimes the venting reveals something new. But nothing seems to lead toward any action. Need to accept that to keep on visiting.

Anonymous said...

They're jackhammering in the playground. It looks like they're breaking up the old cement foundations for the swings and other previous playground equipment.

Anonymous said...

11:39 You are wrong. Here it is again as someone posted above. Steinberg quote in T&V on CW words on jack hammers in the meeting forum.

"What CW did say, recalled Steinberg, was that the company hopes work can be done throughout the winter “when there’s less activity and less people walking by.” How long the project will take is uncertain, but what does help is that no jackhammering is anticipated due to a lack of bedrock under the building."

http://town-village.com/2013/10/18/cw-talks-plans-for-new-management-office/

AND AGAIN CAME HOME TODAY TO JACK HAMMERS!

Anonymous said...

11:20 Maybe it is that the people here know better than to a) make or take an anonymous recommendation on a lawyer and b) anyone recommending their lawyer would risk exposing their anonymity and c) the best place to get a recommendation on a lawyer is from someone you directly know.

Anonymous said...

Not sure it is all talk. I'm not that poster, but our neighbor was contacted by an attorney regarding his downstairs neighbor and their kids running , jumping at all hours with no carpets. I know other people as well who have had to resort to this measure - they do not live in stuytown though.

Anonymous said...

OMG THE FB PAGE SAYS CONDO AND APARTMENT BUILDING.

LMAOOOOO

Anonymous said...

now why does the site say condo?

Anonymous said...

NYU leases are illegal. The MacCraken money flow is corruption at its worse. Almost every local politician's hands are dirty on this one so no one is talking about it. Worst, the TA isn't talking about it ... dirty hands too.
Dirty dirty hands.

Anonymous said...

Again, again, again. YOU MAKE no sense. .. why would the TA agree to dorms and nyu housing here??? why why why.

makes no sense, so I"m not buying this, even though I am not a fan and have stopped paying dues.

Anonymous said...

Thank God the skating rink is coming back. I was so worried. Now I can sleep at night. And now I don't have to buy weed from the dealer on the street corner. All I have to do is step out of my apartment into the hallway and breathe deeply. Ah, what a nice buzz! And for free too...unless Compass Cock figures out away to add an MCI...hahaha...so funny....so sad!

Anonymous said...

If students held leases then why are we limited to and kicked out after 11 months instead of given an option to renew becoming long term tenants.

Anonymous said...

Condos, yeah right. Never happen.

Anonymous said...

Re: Soccer play neighbors:

I remember one tenant with a similar problem who did sue their obnoxious neighbors successfully. they did not mention the name of the attorney. I'd just ask around for a recommendation, interview, sue and get legal costs back with your win.

Also, keep a log of time, date and record the noise if possible, My neighbor had to move uptown with really LOUD neighbors and he took this tactic, brought it to the landlord and the 5Am music stopped.

Good luck!