Dear Residents,
As your head honcho who considers you friends, I am proud to relate to you the newest upgrades to our community.
Stuy Town (copyright laws will be strictly enforced by our PS) will have new features and events! You won't have to head out of Stuy Town to get sloshed....
Yes, coming soon is...The Oliver Reed Pub!
To us at Resident Services, Oliver Reed represents a benchmark to our community, and we have listened! Ollie's Pub won't be completely free (we are working out the prices), but hopefully the first beer will be on the house!
There's more! Coming Soon: 1) The Hookah Palace (gas masks available on request, see Resident Services) and 2) Massage Delight (It's not just the cork at Ollie's Pub that will pop!). And, in tandem with our popular "dog days," we will establish a periodic "Orson Welles Wine Tasting Seminar"..
Why leave Stuy Town when you can find what you want here!
All activities and upgrades are for Residents and their Guests only. (Wink, wink...)
And don't forget our new motto replacing all those signs throughout the complex:
Stuy Town: It's Not Your Grandma's Place Anymore
191 comments:
DEAR UPSTAIRS TENANT: AFTER YEARS OF LIVING UNDER YOU AND YOUR LIES ABOUT HAVING RUGS, WE WILL BE MOVING OUT. ALMOST EVERY DAY YOU HAVE BOUNCED HARDBALLS, DROPPED HEAVY METALIC ITEMS,ALLOWED YOUR KIDS RUN AS IF THEY WERE ON A RUGBY FIELD, HAMMERED WALLS AND FLOORS @UNGODLY HOURS. KEEP IN MIND, THE WORLD MY NEIGHBOR, IS ROUND. THIS WILL RETURN TO YOU YOU ARE SCUM AND I KNOW YOUR NEW NEIGHBOR WILL RETURN THIS FAVOR TO YOU. I WILL SUBLET TO THE LOUDEST, ROWDIEST, TENANTS, 4 TO 5 IS FINE IF NOT MORE, AND WILL OFFER TO INSTALL LARGE WALL SPEAKERS AT MY EEXPENSE SO YOU MAY ENJOY AT ALL HOURS OF DAY + NIGHT.
Does this mean that the liquor is definitely going to be sold inside the grounds of our homes?
Lux Living indeed!
>>Does this mean that the liquor is definitely going to be sold inside the grounds of our homes?<<
Heading that way.... Beer and wine....
@3:32 PM: Go for it! Good luck with your move and finding people to sublet to, but keep in mind that the people UNDERNEATH your apartment will suffer and may not deservedly, so think about them please.
Your suffering is testament to what a useless SOB Rick Hayduk is.
That slime ball Susan Steinberg "abstained" on the beer and wine license Community Board vote knowing full well the opposition of the tenants of 5 Stuyvesant Oval and neighboring buildings.
A true sneaky, two-faced lowlife.
Well hey, the commercial spaces are managed by Adam Rose Rose Associates, a favorite of this blog. Maybe this blog can reach out to their pal and get Adam Rose Rose Associates to help the tenants oppose the liquor license for campus and keep StuyTown a dry campus. Helping tenants is Rose Associates creed according to this published blog post and after all his dad, Marshall Rose is married to a tv actress so he must be really super cool and nice.
http://stuytownreport.blogspot.com/2011/02/adam-rose-steps-up-to-plate.html
That slime ball Susan Steinberg "abstained" on the beer and wine license Community Board vote knowing full well the opposition of the tenants of 5 Stuyvesant Oval and neighboring buildings.
A true sneaky, two-faced lowlife.
I’m not a fan of Steinberg’s, but, in this case, she was right to abstain. The Community Board follows Robert’s Rules of Order and, according to Robert's Rules of Order, you should abstain from voting whenever you have an interest in the outcome that directly affects you personally (or monetarily) in a manner not shared by the other members of your group. So, like it or not, she was correct in abstaining.
If you don’t like the committee’s 2-1 in favor ruling — made by just 3 members of the 9 member committee because they were the only ones who showed up for the meeting — show up on Wednesday, May 8 @ 7pm when the decision will be conferenced by the full board and let them know. You can speak at the meeting or submit comments in writing. The meeting will be held at 433 First Avenue (NYU School of Dentistry), Room 210.
Great post.
"That slime ball Susan Steinberg "abstained" on the beer and wine license Community Board "
She had to because as an interested party as per the rules of CB6. For this issue, she had to recuse herself. Before she abstained, she did bring up the accessory use issue.
"opposition of the tenants of 5 Stuyvesant Oval and neighboring buildings."
I was at the ST Community Center Town Hall and the CB6 meeting. Funny, at both events, I did not see the so called “organized”’ tenants of 5 Stuy Oval or neighboring buildings. Not even a signed petition from a spokesperson showed. I spoke for a denial of the license at both events based upon the R7-2 zooming law governing the accessory use of the so called “residents and guests only” amenities. BTW, Rick was not thrilled at the CB6 meeting that the Cafe said they would serve non-residents alcohol as per the specific license that they had applied for. This announcement totally flew in the face of the Q&A distributed before the ST Community Center Town Hall, that everyone would be IDed for resident proof in order to buy alcohol. This is the second time that the Café Management blindsided Rick."Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." Just saying.
This was a very frustrating time for me at both events. But I walked the walk. On May 8, there will be a full CB6 meeting re this issue. Will you show up?
A man jumped at 647 east 14th on April 22 2019.
https://town-village.com/2019/04/22/man-dead-stuy-town/
I was just looking at the TA fab page and am astounded at what they are putting some tenants through as the result of ineptly executed renovations. Some of them could very well be life threatening. People are living in filth and disarray due to the incompetence, carelessness and totallly unprofessional behavior of Manahement and its employees and contractors. Long term tenants and market rate tenants are all being treated like shit. This "management" is SHIT and you wouldn't print what I think of Hayduk.
I hope those folk lawyer up and withhold their rent.AND send Blackstone their medical bills. Blackstone may eventually be getting their funeral bills judging by the uncaring and unprofessional way they treat tenants. No wonder people kill themselves. I'd see Hayduk in his box before I'd off myself.
Blackstone is truly evil company and should be prosecuted for the misery and suffering it causes - not just here, but around the world.
>>Well hey, the commercial spaces are managed by Adam Rose Rose Associates, a favorite of this blog.<<
The Adam Rose at Facebook is a different Adam Rose.
>>I was at the ST Community Center Town Hall and the CB6 meeting.<<
I was not at the CB6 meeting, though I contacted them with my opinion. I was at the Community Center. Some residents there seemed okay in accepting the 90 days plan (which is basically BS from Management) but others were against the allowance of beer and wine, giving, in certain cases, solid reasons. One woman who worked with substance abuse problems mentioned facts which I'm sure did not go over well with the cafe and Rick. Still, according to my prediction, beer and wine is a done deal, even before "the paint is dry."
>>She had to because as an interested party as per the rules of CB6.<<
She lives here, so, yeah, she is an interested party.
>>Community boards have a variety of responsibilities, including but not limited to:
Dealing with land use and zoning issues. CBs have an important advisory role and must be consulted on the placement of most municipal facilities in the community. Applications for a change in or variance from the zoning resolution must come before the board for review, and the board's position is considered in the final determination.
Assessing the needs of their own neighborhoods. CBs assess the needs of their community members and meet with City agencies to make recommendations in the City's budget process.
Addressing other community concerns. Any issue that affects part or all of a community, from a traffic problem to deteriorating housing, is a proper concern of community boards.
It is important to note that while community boards serve as advocates for their neighborhood, they do not have the ability to order any City agency or official to perform any task. Despite this limitation, boards are usually successful in resolving the problems they address.<<
Edmund or anyone, please provide the link where Steinberg has to recuse herself.
BTW, this is my link:
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cau/community-boards/about-commmunity-boards.page#committees
Again,
"Any issue that affects part or all of a community, from a traffic problem to deteriorating housing, is a proper concern of community boards."
So Steinberg, who represents tenants here, has to recuse herself...why?
The "events" are back! Forget what Rick may have told you or what you thought would happen. According to our costly brochure that comes with the rent, we can look forward to:
Movies on the Oval: Every Wednesday. Two (yes, two) movies, one at 5pm and one at 7pm. Every Thursday: "Live on the Oval". From 5 to 7pm. Music and jamming for your pleasure! Friday: Hopefully beer and wine will be served soon, but meanwhile: "Enjoy early evening acoustic sounds on the Five Stuy Cafe patio."
This on top of other weekly activities and events, including the special return of Food Trucks. Who said the Oval is not a great resource?
How godawful! The Oval has been turned into a trashy playground for people who can't afford to go out. Maybe that's why it appeals to such a low-level demo.
At the recent Community Center Town Hall where the main issue was the Café alcohol license somebody bought up the issue of noise from the movies and concerts. Rick then stated that they had “listened” to tenants and that drums would be banned from the concerts. As per the hardcopy notice and the SPS webpage* stated that that one of the bands would be Beatles cover band.
Excuse my French, but HTF do you have a Beatles cover band without a Ringo Starr “cover” drummer?
* “We kick-off the summer with a tribute to the Fab Four, The Beatles, on June 20th.”
https://www.stuytown.com/events/summer-at-stuytown
"So Steinberg, who represents tenants here, has to recuse herself...why?"
As 3.59 PM said:
"’m not a fan of Steinberg’s, but, in this case, she was right to abstain. The Community Board follows Robert’s Rules of Order and, according to Robert's Rules of Order, you should abstain from voting whenever you have an interest in the outcome that directly affects you personally (or monetarily) in a manner not shared by the other members of your group. So, like it or not, she was correct in abstaining. "
STR, as he stated and if you Google Robert Rules in general, they are the SOP of community boards.
In addition,STR, Google "Robert’s Rules of Order when to recuse."
You will get:
"According to Robert's Rules, you should abstain from voting whenever you have an interest in the outcome that directly affects you personally (or monetarily) in a manner not shared by the other members of your group.
Robert's Rules and Your Voting Rights - dummies"
https://www.dummies.com/careers/business-skills/roberts-rules-and-your-voting-rights/
Here is a forum link as well.
https://robertsrules.forumflash.com/topic/16008-recusal-vs-abstention/
I've read the Robert's Rules before, but I asked for a link to the Community Board NYC site.
The Robert's Rules state, as you quoted:
"According to Robert's Rules, you should abstain from voting whenever you have an interest in the outcome that directly affects you personally (or monetarily) in a manner not shared by the other members of your group."
But Community Board rules states differently. Let me be more plain:
I think Steinberg recused herself out of lack of courage. She doesn't want to vote this way or that way, as some tenants would be upset with her. Perhaps she wears too many hats. A member of the TA board AND a member of the Community Board. The latter position she should not have, as her "opinion" reflects everyone here, as she is also the president of the TA.
Of course, Steinberg does not represent me. But as the "leader" of the largest TA in the States (as we have been told repeatedly) and perhaps the world, the fact that she is abstaining from such a crucial issue to the community is troubling and telling.
Again, a lack of courage.
BTW, the TA has been woeful in dealing with the landlord. Just woeful and horrible. Our TA. What a disgrace and embarrassment.
" Perhaps she wears too many hats. A member of the TA board AND a member of the Community Board."
I think that this is a very legit concern. But unlike the other 3 voters (2-1) who did not recuse and who should have since they came to the meeting without (or so they claim) having any knowledge of the R7-2 zoning issue, I believe her vote was the ethical thing to do, in this case. BTW, the one against vote came from a Board member who believed that the type license granted should not have ANY non-resident restrictions, he did not give a damn about the zoning law. He also implied that those who wanted the Cafe use to be restricted were prejudiced. During most of the meeting, he was staring at his phone. A total waste of space he was. Daniel Devine was his name.
If I can't make the 5/8 meeting, I will send them my comments to the CB6 and ask them re the resusal rule.
I do not understand this focus on any person (for example, Steinberg), or any group (for example, the absurdly misnamed Tenants Association) when many of us are suffering so badly.
And about to be hurt, harmed, injured for months on end now.
It seems to me that too many people here either think this is a joke, or just good gossip, or maybe even something to secretly rejoice in because THEY THEMSELVES may not be a victim of the extreme and worsening abuse and violation and invasion of our ears, eyes, minds, bodies. (The iceskating in the winter and now the OVAL MISERIES FOR MONTHS)
I live in a building as close to the Oval as you can get. Last year, the nightly noise (along with marijuana smoke, public drinking, influx of freeloaders, and more) for as many as 5 or more hours from late afternoon until after 9:00 at night was unbearable. There were some nights when I could not even wash dishes in my kitchen the disturbance was so powerful.
Before the deranged demented walking sewers and spreaders of moral decay and disease (blackstone) had even come in here to completely finish us off, some twit in Resident Misery (a/k/a "Resident Services") volunteered to call me each day prior to an EVENT to allow me to flee from my home during each event.
Last spring, Robert Vazquez, "Director of Lifestyle Services" told me, to my face, as I pleaded with him to stop the noisy, dangerous bullshit he was staging at that moment outside my home, that I should look at the "positive side of it." He elaborated that because I knew WHEN they were DESTROYING ALL PEACE, QUIET, HABITABILITY OF MY HOME FOR HOURS DAILY AND NIGHTLY, I could "PLAN FOR IT."
Plan what? To have a helicopter scoop up my family and me just prior to each "EVENT" to fly us to a desert island? Plan to communicate with my home planet to ask them to "beam me up, Scotty" away from the hell?
It does not matter that assholes, that craven cowards who are also abjectly corrupt, such as the "Tenants Association" do nothing to help us and everything to hurt us.
This torment has been going on for years and is now getting worse. It is the season to TORTURE US ON A LARGE SCALE, AND OPENLY NOW, INVITING STRANGERS WHO DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT US TO HELP BLACKSTONE RUIN OUR LIVES. AND TO BOOZE AND DRINK EVEN MORE THAN EVER.
So, is anyone here going to help himself? Herself? Me? Anyone else in agony?
They were nonexistent on the lack of adequate heat this past winter except to organize irrelevant and absurd tours of the heating department.
Yes the TA disgusts me. How dare they ask people to pay dues. They put those stupid Adirondack chairs out, like they are really going to make this place look less like a slum.
"Yes the TA disgusts me. How dare they ask people to pay dues. They put those stupid Adirondack chairs out, like they are really going to make this place look less like a slum.
Again, hard criticism of Steinberg and TA is always welcome but this is one another friggin lie. The TA did not put the chairs out in the Oval lawn. SPS Management aka Robert Vazquez, "Director of Lifestyle Services" (as the poster ided him at another post in this thread for the Oval movie and concert crap) did. STR, please stop letting this crap through, we have enough real issues here.
If they looked at the meager attendance at these events, they would see that they are not worth the noise and annoyance to Oval residents. They have nerve presenting this crap as amenities. I have complained to management about the meager attendance and noise but they insist people love these events. I was also told that they know that you can hear the noise in apartments. They are presented to sell this awful slum and guess what. Families and professionals are not moving in anyway. Despite their phony amenities, this place is increasingly inhabited by low life’s: students , transients, tourists, Airbnb and city subsidized. This place is a joke. The crap they offer is a mask for the slum that is being created here. Get rid of the crap and lower the market rate rents. Maybe then we might get a decent demo back.
Shameless Susan and the sham Tenants Association are so totally in bed with Management.
Rather than act as advocates for the residents, the TA and Susan in particular are shills for Blackstone.
Truly without shame.
Truly without honor.
And possibly corrupt as well.
Why not open the TA books, Susan?
What are you afraid of?
>>The TA did not put the chairs out in the Oval lawn.<<
True.
>>STR, please stop letting this crap through, we have enough real issues here.<<
I try. A lot hasn't been let though. Some stuff that I may have problems with, has though.
This longtime STR reader agrees with 8:39’s comment.
The fact that these Oval "concerts" cause people who live around the Oval reminds me of the WACO standoff many years ago (when Janet Reno was the AG) and in order to make the people come out of the cult house, the gov blasted them with atrocious music. Unfortunately, the cult leader chose to burn the place down and incinerate everybody, including himself, rather than leave. Hopefully, nobody living near the Oval will go to that extreme! Loud, unwelcome music being blasted outside your home is, indeed, a method of torture and I suspect that Management wants everybody to move out of those buildings so that they can be razed and more "amenities" built, e.g., a shopping center (even though everybody shops online) and maybe a full-blown bar, pool hall, etc.
I think a bunch of us should get hold of those old boom boxes and blast "music" outside of Hayduk's building in PCV. THEN we would see PS move in pretty fast!
Did not mean that the TA put the chairs out. Should have stated management .
It was just an error in usage
You can thank Keith Powers and CB6 for all the helicopter noise. I hear a resident of Stuy Town will be challenging Powers in the primary. Not sure who it is but they have my vote. Powers is less than useless, he is a blight on the neighborhood!
THIS IS THE BEST POST EVER.
Let's not forget his drinking buddies Peter O'Toole and Richard Burton. Also, Richard Harris and Robert Shaw are worth of a mention.
Thanks. I really needed this!!
I don’t think Steinberg has a vacation/weekend residence, because I see her shit eating grin far too often. And if she does, who cares? As long as this is her primary residence there is no rule against her owning a weekend home. Sheehy is another story, with his flaunting of the Hamptons residence and who his neighbors are.
>>Let's not forget his drinking buddies Peter O'Toole and Richard Burton. Also, Richard Harris and Robert Shaw are worth of a mention.
Thanks. I really needed this!!<<
Anthony Hopkins, too, though I don't think he was part of any clique.
I don't think there will be a "proof" commentary, so there may be some deletions.
">>Let's not forget his drinking buddies Peter O'Toole and Richard Burton. Also, Richard Harris and Robert Shaw are worth of a mention."
Harris, O'Toole and Burton were quite the threesome in their day. And in Hollywood, back in the day, David Niven, Douglas Fairbanks Jr. and the one and only, Errol Flynn, tore up the town.
Robert Mitchum and Richard Harris (Harris was not in the film) drinking exploits during the filming of "Ryan's Daughter" in Ireland are legendary.
Keith Powers is a slimy little reptile. He is absolutely, totally in the pockets of REBNY and is as bad as (if not worse) than Greedy Garodnik. Wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances.
I think approval of the booze license at the 5 Turd E-Coli Cafe is a foregone conclusion. The "hearing" was just a sham to make it seem like management cared about the will of the tenants. They have never polled us to see if we want the execrable "entertainment" that is forced upon those of use who live near the Oval and the 5-Turd Cafe. They don't give a shit about what tenants want and don't want. All they care about is squeezing as much money out of this repeatedly gang-raped old lady of a property until she keels over and dies. That will happen eventually. Sooner, rather than later.
Shameless Susan will be out preening at the next photo op, no doubt extolling her virtues and the "work" of the useless Tenants Association.
What a fraud.
What a disgrace.
Truly without self-respect.
There’s a story in The Real Deal Los Angeles about the top ten salaries of influential real estate executives of public real estate firms in LA, and the results seem to ring true from LA to NYC.
Here are the top 3:
3) Ryan Schneider, $9.1mil, Realogy
2) John Kilroy, Jr, $11.43mil, Kilroy Realty
1) Stephen Schwartzman, $567.8mil, Blackstone Group
I seriously can’t believe we had people touring the sale of this property to a company like this. People even came on this blog and said we could have gotten worse. Where are those people now?
4 The new tenant and if you think you wanna live here the 2 bedrooms are not real 2 bedrooms you are subjected to living here with no windows, no ac no heat in several rooms due to the fake 2 br. it is a true fire hazard and how does it pass with FDNY?
IT SUCKS FOR REGULAR TENANTS IN THIS COMPLEX WE DONT HAVE MADE UP WALLS OR 5 PEOPLE IN OUR FLAT YET WE GET TO LIVE UNDER AND ABOVE THOSE WHO DO. PEACE OUT PEEPS YOU CAN WAVE BYE BYE AS I MOVE TO UPPER WEST, MORE SPACE, NORMAL TENANTS AND LOWER RENT.
FYI Tenants will be able to pay TA dues at the upcoming flea market as there will be a STPCVTA table at the event. I,for one, Thank the TA for this foresight. Remember fellow tenants, Stytown would not be in the condition it is if it weren't for them. A little acknowledgement is in order perhaps instead of the constant vitriol.
@8:51 AM: I have often wondered how this place gets a pass from FDNY. The "renovations" create some of the worse fire hazards possible. Blackstone doesn't care about people's lives. Money is the only thing they care about.
Tailored to dorms. What new tenants. All moving in now are students and people here no more than six months or a year.
>>FYI Tenants will be able to pay TA dues at the upcoming flea market as there will be a STPCVTA table at the event. I,for one, Thank the TA for this foresight. Remember fellow tenants, Stytown would not be in the condition it is if it weren't for them. A little acknowledgement is in order perhaps instead of the constant vitriol.<<
This is a joke, right? LOL.
You have to be kidding
@12:17 PM: Are you market rate? If you are rent stabilized I don't think you will find anything cheaper. I'm not saying this place is worth anything more than what the real RS tenants pay, but the REBNY owns New York and it's politicians and so the rents will be high everywhere that is not rent stabilized. And I don't want to hear from anybody about how "we are all rent stabilized" because that is a joke!
I agree that it would be hard to find apartments at old rent stabilized rates in Manhattan. We old timers have a good deal despite the terrible conditions. I am certain that it is probable that you can find far better situations at the high rentals they now charge. Rooms may be smaller, but demo and QOL much better. For what they charge MR for a one bedroom, nearly 4,000 you can probably get one with a doorman and maybe real amenities elsewhere. The rents here are so out of proportion with the living conditions. Paying all that money to live in old buildings full of dorms, transients, pot smoke, lack of heat, and noise problems. Retail around here is not great either.
The TA has essentially disappeared. The abdication of its role to address the heating crisis this past winter should cause all members on the Board to resign but it won’t . I’d rather give money to any charity over the TA. And I have lived here long enough to remember a vibrant TA
LOL. That new front page photo atop the TA Facebook is rather sickening. But it is their Facebook....
8:58 PM: Regarding the "sham hearing" about more booze and chaos held here:
This is a common ploy, used for many years now by many organizations, companies, politicians, school districts, "institutes of higher learning," governments - it is called The Delphi Model or the Delphi Method.
Simply put, it is a means whereby people are deliberately duped into what they believe is participation in crucial decisions which affect their lives, usually for the worse. It is expertly organized and run. It is designed to create the illusion that you aren't being lied to, used, exploited and royally screwed . . . that YOU are making these decisions which contribute to the ruination of your life, and the lives of those around you.
These meetings and hearings are worse than bullshit. They are patently cruel since they are beyond fundamentally dishonest - they are crafted to convince you that YOU ARE CHOOSING TO HURT YOURSELF BY AGREEING TO ACTIONS THESE SCUM HAVE IN PLACE.
Among other things, it is another form of psychological warfare, screwing with your mind in a serious manner. If you know the old movie "Gaslight," and if you're familiar with books such as 1984 and the meaning of doublespeak and doublethink, you'll understand.
This is a somewhat useful discussion of the method:
http://www.mnforsustain.org/media_delphi_technique_of_disinformation_stuter_l.htm
12:14 P.M. on May 2nd re Janet Reno, WACO, and the Oval:
Thank you, you dear writer! I hadn't thought about devices such as acoustic cannons used by police to injure and disperse protesting people . . . and blackshit here.
But, you are dead on target! People living around the Oval are targeted for great disruption of their lives, including sound which can hurt them physically in a number of ways. When the terror began (NOT terrorist THREATS, no . . . these are actual and repeated acts which terrorize, confuse, exhaust, physically hurt and interfere with the lives of residents in their homes) a few years back, I assumed that they WANTED OVAL RESIDENTS TO FLEE THEIR HOMES AND VACATE THEIR APARTMENTS PERMANENTLY.
I had asked jackasses in more than one department to be moved to an apartment far from the Oval. You know the response.
It never occurred to me, though, to compare their actions with police in the street who hurt citizens with sound which has been deemed to be excessive (physical) force, or with the federal government's attempts to dislodge folks such as those hunkered down in WACO.
If I'm not mistaken, LOUD AND PERSISTENT "MUSIC" is used as a method of torture against people incarcerated as enemies and enemy combatants in illustrious locations such as Guantanamo. If I've got any of this wrong, please understand that living here is exhausting me.
I agree. The photo is sickening. They are sickening. Wonder how many residents actually pay dues anymore.
Thanks for finally talking about >"The Oliver Reed Pub - Free Beer for Free Thinking Customers!" <Liked it!
I’m pretty sure this post is sarcasm at its finest.
>>Simply put, it is a means whereby people are deliberately duped into what they believe is participation in crucial decisions which affect their lives, usually for the worse. It is expertly organized and run. It is designed to create the illusion that you aren't being lied to, used, exploited and royally screwed . . . that YOU are making these decisions which contribute to the ruination of your life, and the lives of those around you.<<
This is the link with goes into the Delphi Method. I see nothing of what you describe. Please quote from here, not someplace else. I could have missed it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_method
http://www.mnforsustain.org/media_delphi_technique_of_disinformation_stuter_l.htm
It is interesting, though. I think there is a basic company policy when dealing with the public, which is PR. Not necessarily the Delphi Method, but a policy in which the company always wins in the end, with some slight modification. Rick has said that the Oval movies will begin later in the month, so he seems to be giving in, but, of course, the movies continue.
And the Blackstone policy here is to sell apartments and put the best face (PR) forward.
Apartments near the Oval used to be considered the most desirable because the Oval was a quiet, peaceful, beautiful tree park. Apartments on 14th Street were considered to be located in he armpit of the property. Well, 14th may still be the armpit of the property, but now the Oval is the asshole of the property.
True. I remember when the apartments around the Oval were the most desired. Not true anymore, and I am glad I don't live there.
And they are still not selling apartments. Filling up with students and transients
Not really. I see families here a lot.
Regarding Delphi: apologies. The basic goal and concept is correct. The methods used are a bit different.
The methods I was describing are those I'd been subjected to or observed myself in a variety of meetings. One method is to hand out pencils and paper to visitors as they arrive; they are invited to write down their "questions," which will be answered after whatever presentation of nonsense is the feature for the day.
Three "questions" are "answered" by "experts" after the presentation. Only three questions. Carefully selected questions.
Any raised hands in the audience will be ignored; any requests for clarification of answers will be ignored, deflected, or argued away.
You are dismissed, ignored, "handled," and "managed" and that's that.
I will provide more information as soon as I've located it.
"Families" living here -
As many have written for some time now, the behavior of many of these "families" who occupy apartments and who take their offspring outside, or hand them over to "nannies" is problematic, often dangerous, and too frequently despicable.
Quite a few posts here have described ongoing noise generated by these model families.
The behavior on the Oval during the warm and hot months is atrocious, obnoxious. Whether it is nearly naked young females, dangerous morons running and throwing objects, collections of "families" with tables, food, booze, balloons tied to innocent living trees using a birthday as excuse for public noise and disturbance . . .
Many of whomever either "lives" here or "infests" us are bad, bad news no matter how you identify them.
As has been written here before, ask the Security Guards about the dozens and dozens of loving mothers/fathers/nannies who neglect little ones who RUN AWAY.
blackhole here courts and encourages every type of problem it can attract. Period.
Yesterday afternoon I was sitting on a PCV bench. Directly behind me, in the plantings in a fenced-off area, a woman and a little girl came walking a dog. I quietly pointed out where there was a large "dog friendly" area, and mentioned how the ground she was trampling had just been seeded. She said "oh, ok, I didn't know"... and proceeded to ignore all that I had just said. After a while, this little group went over the fence, crossed the path to the other side, and climbed onto a fenced-off lawn over there too! Today, I passed by this same area, and sure enough, another woman with a dog were in there. The signs are absolutely useless, and reminding people what the rules are,(any rules really), can get you some very "interesting" responses.
Most of the parents and nannies I see are fucking morons who never look up from their phones.
Some of these families appear to be tourists and many do not stay once their year lease is up and the rent raised. My building has very few new families and is over half students.
Today the bros on my floor left umbrellas and shoes all over the hall in front of their apartment. About six pairs of shoes and four umbrellas. Pigs. Put the wet umbrellas in the bathtub. No party tonight because I didn’t smell pot.
We have heat this morning. I can't believe it. Not that I'm complaining, but the bastards didn't give us heat this past winter even when the temperature was at least ten degrees lower than it is this morning.
It is beyond abusive that we tenants have to endure the turnover of older units and the weeks and months of construction. It occurs to me now that we also have to endure the renovated renovations as even the recent renovated units - our neighbor who just moved in 5 years ago 0 those are also re-renovated. Stop the madness who and what can we do to curb this in our city, in our complex. Insane shit going on here.
I am a lifelong resident here, who raised my kids here, and now my grandkids live here. I usually agree with most that is written here, but a few of these posts bashing families is a bit overboard, and you definitely don’t seem to be people that I would associate myself with (complete grouches). If you grew up here, you have become the people you swore you would never become when you grew up here (grouches).
There are MAJOR problems here, but you waste time posting about kids??? Kids running away from their parents is nothing new, and was going on long before nannies and parents had cell phones. Kids are kids, and they no different than when you or I were growing up, they are just products of a different generation. And please don’t come on here saying that kids didn’t do those things back in the day, because kids who grew up here in the 50’s-90’s were far from bundles of joy.
We need to focus our attention on things we can actually change, not how kids are raised. Noise, no heat, booze, etc are things we should be focusing on.
The constant renovations are filling our lungs with dust and filth. The noise and filth we have to endure is totally inhumane. This must be one of the most unlivable projects in the City at this point.
>>a few of these posts bashing families is a bit overboard,<<
I don't disagree if these posts just bash. What I have seen has been a mixture. Good and some bad. And I am sure that what I see is not much different during my time taking care of a child. Some parents let their "little ones" do anything, and the little ones can be terrors. I don't see much of that, however. I do see a nanny (much less than a parent) more involved with her cellphone than with the child. That hurts me the most. But I also see loving nannies.
>>The constant renovations are filling our lungs with dust and filth.<<
I'm looking at the new lease application. The dust and filth in these "renovations" are against the law if they travel. Protection against this must be given. However....
"I'm looking at the new lease application. The dust and filth in these "renovations" are against the law if they travel. Protection against this must be given. However...."
However, the politicians and agencies that are supposed to enforce the laws that would protect us are totally on the payroll of REBNY, Blackstone, et al. If the corruption of our politicians and landlord was ever exposed it would reveal more toxicity than Yucca Mountain.
Unbelievable. The TA posted what they do on their site. What a joke.
The TA also posted about conversing with residents and collecting dues despite the cancellation of the flea market. They have no shame. Are they kidding. I would like to ask them what they are doing about heat problems, loud concerts, etc. NOTHING. They disgust me with their phony postings. How can anyone give this bogus group money .
The TA is a miserable failure of an organization at this point. Maybe it had its uses in a bygone age, but today it is just a toady of a particularly vile and corrupt "management," and the ass-kissers of one of the most corrupt and inept Mayors and City Council. The fact that their former board member, Keith Powers, got elected notwithstanding his history as a REBNY shill, says a lot about the integrity of the TA.
The TA should disband and go away. How dare they ask tenants for money! Hucksters and Grifters!
The TA is a fraud.
Their leadership is suspect to say the least.
They refuse to open the books, refuse to release membership numbers.
Less than 100 members I've been told.
A giant Ponzi scheme.
How about responding to these allegations, Susan Steinberg?
Ain't gonna happen.
Just got new neighbors. All I ever hear is the guy yelling explosive "fuck you" all the time. He can probably be heard over half of the tenement. Very nice. For this we pay $4k per month. Can't wait to get out of here. Meanwhile spreading the word far and wide that this is a glorified, overpriced tenement slum. The walls are like paper.
Most people that move in at market rate feel the same way as 10:58. Once they move in, they get the idea that this place is an overpriced dump, not luxury as advertised. That is why there is a constant turnover and so many dorm and transient apartments.
The TA doesn’t need our money... They’ve received over $100,000 from Garodnick and Powers over the past 5 years through City Council funds. Therefore as taxpayers we are all paying this sham organization, and for that they should be required to open their books (like ThriveNYC!).
Any legal minds on here that can tell us our rights in terms of the TA receiving taxpayer dollars and having to open their books???
OK, I'm a long time tenant and I paid my membership fee to the TA. The reason: even though they have no power when it comes to the horrible QOL situations in this place, they do organize and fight for tenants' rights concerning the rent regulations and MCIs. An affordable rent is most important to me because I would be unable to pay a market rent. I support any organization that gets up and fights for rent regs. I'm too old and inform to get on a bus to Albany, but I'm glad that younger, fitter people do and I'm glad the TA organizes those things.
So, flame me if it makes you feel better.
I have a long list of things the TA does NOT do, and should. Fighting for tenants rights? To me, doing other things is move valuable for tenants. But if you want to give, give.
I have not paid dues in two years. True they show up for rent rallies, but the fact that they told me to e-mail Rick when I had an issue a couple of years ago really turned me against them. Also the fact that so many tenants froze this winter and they told us to call. Kept saying they would take down apartment numbers but never did anything. If you can organize rent regulation bus trips as many TA organizations do I am certain, you can organize heat protests, noise protests, etc. They have pretty much said and demonstrated that we are on our own here . In addition, they pushed this Blackstone deal and I resent their meetings when they showcase politicians. They need to have town meetings during which they can help residents with the many QOL issues here. Paying them money is like giving money to management.
STR, fighting for rent protections is very important. I wish the TA wasn't so impotent when it comes to the terrible quality of life infractions this slumlord commits, but this is Blackstone and Blackstone is globally infamous for treating its tenants like shit and ruining lives. I would like to see the TA be less cozy with our Overlords, but I don't think they can do much to persuade them toward decency. It would be like trying to make Hitler be a nice guy.
To 5/1 5:51 - Re: Robert Vasquez:
This is the total moron who planned the NYE event in the Community Center. The guy has his head on some other planet, certainly not here on earth. the NYE "event" was the biggest bomb immaginable, from the lousy food choices "hey sit down!, it's not a buffet!" without anything to drink until you finished your shit meal to the utterly stupid choice of Bingo!!. That's the only thing he could come with for seniors.
He's an utter dullard with no imagination and should forfeit his job with this BS NYE event. But obviously no one really cares and this year maybe he can end the event at 9PM instead of 10, with Bingo!
Surely management could do better than this guy.o
To: 4/29 - 3:22
Good for you!. You should have moved out sooner or gotten an atty.
Please Let everyone know how you plan to sublet. Def. want this info.
10 58 where do we spread the word? I dont go on Facebook.
>>That's the only thing he could come with for seniors.<<
Somewhere on YouTube, there is a video of seniors have a "fun" time with new entertainment for them. The seniors, at least the men, weren't playing bingo, I can assure you! Obviously, it was a joke video.
If they cannot do anything to fight this management, then they are not a true TA and need to disband. The purpose of a TA is to protect tenants. I am not buying the contention that there is nothing they could do about the heat and other QOL issues.
>>STR, fighting for rent protections is very important.<<
Though it may be lazy, there is the internet and letting politicians know where you stand. Also, most people keep voting for the same politicians/party. Politicians should know where residents stand without residents having to go on a bus ride to Albany. Few residents show up anyway.
More posts by the TA defending what they do to an inquiring resident. They have nerve saying they defend the rights of tenants. Phony hypocrites.
May 5, 9:45 P.M. Wrter:
The filthy smelly human garbage leaving their garbage (shoes and umbrellas) in the public hallway -
common space
public space
they created health, safety and FIRE hazards, blocking or limiting escape in an emergency, among other things.
Their private dirty smelly, hazardous garbage needed to be removed. Period. Not difficult. Perhaps don gloves first to discard the filth.
Please post how we all can sublet. Legal or illegally i do not give a rats ass now. fight Fire with fire.
Isn't it interesting how the post about what the TA does has so many comments on it? Hmm, wonder how the moderation of those comments is going.
The TA fights for tenants on a citywide level, with the assistance of other groups and TA’s (presumably with more of a spine than our TA). Our TA does not stand out in any of this, nor do they take the lead in any of these fights for tenants rights. They ride the coattails of other groups that set these things up, then come back to us like they are saviors.
For example, our TA does not set up bus trips to Albany. Other groups do, and our TA jumps on board because let’s face it, our TA would only need a minivan to get up there if it were only the PCVST TA! And let me clarify, in the past they did set up the bus trips, just not in the past decade or so.
The bottom line is that our TA needs to stop bs’ing like they do these great things for tenants rights on the city level. These fights would be going on whether they were there or not. What they need to focus on is fighting for tenants rights within the confines of this property. They have been utterly and completely silent on these issues since Steinberg and Garodnick praised Blackstone as the saviors of this property when the deal was announced.
ANYONE WHO BELIEVES ANYTHING THIS GROUP SAYS IS A FOOL!!
"Please post how we all can sublet. Legal or illegally i do not give a rats ass now. fight Fire with fire."
To all those here who think that NYS RS law is useless for all of the current renovated apartments (that includes the so called “market rate” and the so called “affordable” NYC lottery apartments) here and whose NYS RS protections will end COB June 2020, guess what, your right to sublet your apartment, your right to have a lease renewed, primary resident protections, etc. all of these rights are under NYS RS law. That being said here is the link to legally sublet your apartment. This right is again current for ALL apartments here.
https://hcr.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2018/12/orafac7.pdf
So If you still think that NYS RS law is a joke for renovated apartments, unless there is major rent reform this year, wait until June 2020 when over 60% of apartments here (renovated) lose their NYS RS law protections (J-51 tax abatement expire-Google NYS Roberts ruling) no matter what rent amount they pay. You think things are bad here now? Wait until then.
Sorry STR, your moral equivalence of both parties being equally corrupt at least for residential rent regulations is not correct. It also discourages voting. For years, when the Repubs controlled the NYS Senate (Joe Bruno) and Pataki was governor, all rent reform died and rent regs was shredded. Vacancy decontrol is THE engine that drives the shit QOL that we have here. It’s a macro issue that impacts a micro issue. Yes, I know, on a local level, Dems such as Weiner and Vallone sold us out. But we, PCVST residents, were not able to vote them out via the Dem. primary system. And Cuomo is REBNY owned. I voted against him in the Dem primaries. And there is something mentally wrong with him. de Blasio (aka “Lurch”) was good for 2 RGB 0% lease rent increases, now he’s not only REBNY owned; he’s totally corrupt as well. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, DB.
But with the so called “independent“ Dems caucus gone in the NYS Senate, this is the one chance we have for real rent reform. We will see how that works out. Remember the Repubs do not believe in ANY residential rent regulations. Ok, the TA sucks. Over and over that mantra is posted here. For local QOL issues, we are on own. BTW, where is that alternative TA organization? Cue in crickets and tumbleweeds. I posted this before. For the NYS/NYC macro issues, support state/city wide rent reform organizations such as the Rent Reform Campaign and the Metropolitan Council on Housing. Links below.
https://www.realrentreform.org/
http://metcouncilonhousing.org/
"I have not paid dues in two years."
What a rookie, I stopped paying dues a decade ago.
Who would pay and have their 20 year old live here. It's not safe at all.
MANAGEMENT DO NT CARE ABOUT MR FAMILIES OR NORMAL RESIDENTS THEY RAISE YOUR RENT EVERY EYAR ABOVE APARTMENT THAT ARE SAME AND NEWER. THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT SENIORS AND STUDENTS.
Slinking, shameless Susan Steinberg REFUSES to open Tenants Association financials.
TA has received $100,000 from corrupt politicians.
Hey, Susan, where did the money go?
Can a "perp walk" be far beyond?
So apparently 75 elevator cabs property wide have no communication capabilities with PS. Basically you are SOL if you get stuck in one of these death trap boxes.
People have been saying it for years, but it bears repeating... these elevators were not installed to carry the loads they carry nor deal with the sheer volume in terms of # of rides. These are passenger elevators that have essentially become service elevators, and it is a recipe for disaster.
The only thing management cares about seniors is how soon they can get an ambulance here to haul away the dead body so the renovations can begin. Ever see Soylent Green?
Seen: Yesterday, I actually saw a PS guard turn away someone from outside who wanted to go into PCV with her dog. He was standing right in front of PCV hoping to get a homeless person out of PCV and move on. (I saw he wasn't that successful.) However, I also saw outsiders bring in their dogs and no word from anyone. And this morning I saw at least three large dogs being walked into Stuy Town, and, again, no word, no warning, no "escorting" of the outsiders and their dog.
>>Slinking, shameless Susan Steinberg REFUSES to open Tenants Association financials.<<
I intend to "up" this issue and will contact the TA. I will report back here, but it may take a couple of weeks.
>>Ever see Soylent Green?<<
Yes, and it is amazing that "Soylent" is now used as a new name for a product. I've seen Soylent being sold/pushed in our neighborhood stores. I guess the person who thought of this name is not familiar with the movie. But maybe he is....
The elevators in my building creak and shudder and he doors sometimes won't close before bouncing open and shut several times until the high-pitched noise goes off and they are force-closed. Then they take an unbearably long 10-15 seconds before they open when you get to your floor! I have reported the issue to RS, but nothing changes.
Does anybody remember the Lux Living blog? I seem to remember that the guy who created that brilliant blog got seriously hurt in one of these elevators when they were first installed. I don't know what the outcome of that was, but I hope he is completely recovered and living a healthy, happy life now. He disappeared suddenly and I often wonder if he is alive and well. I do hope so.
We are paying an arm and a leg in MCI charges for these elevators that are so substandard, as well as for "Security" which is also substandard. Don't raise the issue with Hayduk because he can be quite unpleasant about it. He wouldn't be so defensive if he didn't know we are right to complain.
A new issue. Helicopters noise. I have contacted several individuals, and we shall see what the response is, if any. For ST/PCV to pride themselves on "peace and quiet," the frequent noise from helicopters over head is completely against this promotion to the public. Rick should be concerned, as should Stuy Town Property Services. What gives?
I couldn’t believe that the posting of what the TA does has so many likes on it. They do NOTHING but brag.
I hope we don't have one of those things crash into Stuyvesant Town. Seems to me they crash pretty often, though usually they go into the river.
9:28 AM: I watched "Soylent Green" years ago. There is a product available now named "Soylent." It is a protein drink product in a variety of flavors, I think.
"Soylent Green" was "harvested," groundup dead folk (the prime protein source) which people ate in an overpopulated world in that 1973 dystopian movie starring, among others, Edward G. Robinson and Charlton Heston.
You joke about blackheart using dead senior citizens as "food" here. Well, a few years back, as I listened to subcontractors, or maybe just plain "management" type self-important assholes discuss "business" here while in a coffeeshop, it occurred to me that I was their source of food.
All of these subcontractors . . . lured here to perform bad workmanship in the homes in which we live. While they, paid by blackmold, essentially LIVE OFF US.
It occurred to me to roll up a sleeve, approach their table, and shove an arm in one of their mouths, urging them to bite down hard and take a BIG CHUNK OUT OF ME SINCE THEY ARE FEASTING ON ME AND MY FELLOW RESIDENTS.
The weather is warming up. Wait until the s.o.b. "higher ups" at blacksh*t start their escorted tours around our homes, squired by various "management" minions here. Watch as they enthuse over the living hell they have created and are discussing ways in which to worsen life. THEY ARE LITERALLY LIVING OFF US.
Silly? I don't know. Stupid? I don't think so. GRIM? DAMNED RIGHT. A whole bunch of revolving "entrepreneurs" are living off us.
Any word how Community Board 6 voted last night on the beer and wine permit for the cafe? Hopefully NO!!!
I just watched ps buzz in a guy who said he forgot his keys. LMAO real safe place guys.
TOTAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST
Susan Steinberg and the Tenants Association have reaped more than $100,000 in money from politicians Garodnick and Powers.
Where is the financial accounting of this money?
The Tenants Association and its leadership is skating on very thin legal ice.
Still waiting for a response from them.
Susan, we can't hear ya'...
I have seen people piggyback after PS officers many times without key cards.
@3:30 PM: Please give us a sample of what those vultures in the coffee shop were saying? I know they used to pop champagne corks when a senior died back when TS ruled. Wouldn't be surprised if they still do that now.
There's a discussion on the TA fb about someone who was canvassing door-to-door for a political candidate. They say it is not allowed in PCVST. Well, I hope Keith Powers takes note of that if he plans to run for office again. I seem to remember that he just about (and I mean JUST) about stopped short of harassment when he was running for City Council. He and his canvassers were roaming buildings all the time and you couldn't walk down the street without them jumping out at you - even to the point of canvassing almost outside the voting station.
He was so aggressive I (and several others I know) decided not to vote for him just on account of the obnoxiousness of his campaign. It's bad enough not being able to walk to the subway station or go into Associated without being pestered by those people, but I know it is all part of what is left of our tattered Democracy so It is acceptable. I don't want them ringing my doorbell and leaving their campaign material outside my door. Leaving that crap outside a door is an advertisement that no one's home. My neighbors and I have an agreement that we pick up leaflets, menus, etc. and drop them down the chute.
Re helicopters over Oval — sightseeing to photograph Stuytown rooftop solar farm?
>>He was so aggressive I (and several others I know)<<
I saw this, too, and the politicians don't care. I had Powers people move from their location INSIDE Stuy Town, but as I said, the politicians don't care as long as they win. Powers won.
What's funny is that Powers was standing close by. As I said, they don't care.
Of course, the way to deal with this is to issue a summons (which PS can do) then and there. No BS "warning." But this won't happen, will it?
Powers was shameless in his flouting of the rules. If he ever runs again and is that ruthless I think he should be disqualified from the race. I will have no hesitation in telling him to fuck off.
"Of course, the way to deal with this is to issue a summons (which PS can do) then and there. No BS "warning." But this won't happen, will it?"
No, it won't. PS is totally controlled by Management and they are not allowed to do anything that they should be doing. They don't go after dog walkers without the lanyard, speeding bicycles, litter droppers, noisy, rowdy drunks (indoors and outdoors). Hayduk has totally cut their balls off, reduced their numbers and installed non-working cameras to give the appearance of a security presence we don't have. I feel sorry for those guys because they have been neutered and I don't know how they can possibly take any pride in their work if they are not allowed to do the things a Security or "Public Safety" officer is supposed to do.
Regarding Powers, maybe a complaint to the Board of Elections or some such official body could be helpful if he pulls the same crap in the future. Hopefully, when his term ends he will slink away and never be seen or heard of again.
To me, there are other more impelling issues here than politician aggressiveness. The pot smells, loud concerts, and dogs all
concern me more and affect me more directly.
Sick of reporting the damned elevators in my building. Always on the fritz. These are the same death traps that they put in the NYCHA buildings.
Newer tenant here and have a concern about the air conditiioning units. Our flat is new and so are the Ac's. Extremly loud fan of a concern and tbh, seems more of a fan, not cooling. It is only May and we are as I said new but they seem to be cheap and inefficient. Could another comment on this. It is a GE Unit and we have 3 in our 2 bedroom place.
There is a discussion on the TA site concerning proposed elimination of important crosstown(14th) bus stops. Some young snot nose made a remark that if seniors could rally they could walk to the next bus stop. That is what we have living here now. Eliminating these bus stops is outrageous.
>>Newer tenant here and have a concern about the air conditiioning units.<<
I don't have AC but this seems to be a problem with the AC you have. Either it's not set right, or else a lousy unit.
>>Eliminating these bus stops is outrageous.<<
I agree.
There are a lot of young snot noses on the TA fb. Peter Stuyvesant turns a blind eye when they make snarky remarks to older tenants. One young woman told an older woman who was/is going through hell with renovations and filth: "Then leave." Very nice.
Awakened at 9 am by idiots with whistles coaching little leaguers on the playground outside my apartment. Saturday is the one day I get to sleep in. I am not paying 3k a month to live in a carnival. No wonder they can't rent apartments here. Is there anyone at Beam Living that has ever done this kind of work before? The goal is to want people to move IN not out. Blackstone is some dumb bastards. Thankfully, I have a 1 year lease and am out of here soon. Sorry for the rest of you until someone, anyone, at Blackstone or Beam Living gets a clue.
Good luck on the helicopter issue. Hope you have more luck than I did. Wrote or spoke with everyone on the issue months ago, To date no responses except Powers no response and NYPD denying there are any helicopters.... really...that's what they said.
As an over-payer (one of those with more money than sense) living in a renovated apartment with cheap appliances, I have to say this: what makes me stay here and put up with the noisy neighbors, leaking dishwasher, etc., is the beautiful trees outside my window and the trees I can see across the way (I live on the 14th Street Loop). I think there are very few places in New York City where people can look out the window and see beautiful green foliage as far as the eye can see. Without the trees, Stuytown would be just an over-priced housing project. Not as bad as NYCHA. Nowhere near as bad as NYCHA, but just an ugly rental housing project with not much going for it to justify he high rents. I've been here two years and never been to the cafe or concerts (who needs them!) and just as I am thinking of moving because of the absence of heat and presence of noise and poor service, the trees suddenly come into full foliage and I decide to sign another lease.
The only thing I would recommend about Stuytown is the beautiful green trees and .... well, that's about it! My last apartment on the UES faced an ugly building. The beautiful grounds were the selling point for me when I moved in two springs ago.
No the problem is with the AC units the management installs. Sister in law here has same just crap cheap tin canny sounds like a meat locker freezer.
Yes, all the appliances that Management installs are bottom-of-the-line cheap crap that you would never spend money on if you were investing in the appliance yourself. I wish we could buy our own like the tenants in the un-renovated units can. My dishwasher leaks so much I don't bother using it now.
Did they vote in favor of booze at the Cafe? Have never stepped foot in there. It doesn't seem to belong here. This place is nice enough without all of those tacky "amenities." I heard the Oval used to have trees in it (not just around it). THAT must have been really lovely. Guess I'm a bit of a nature-lover because I wouldn't see anything attractive about Stuytown without the trees, bushes and grassy areas. The fountain is absolutely lovely. They should just lay off trying to commercialize it more. They don't seem to know when enough is enough. Reminds me of someone who has cosmetic surgery and looks lovely, but then keeps having it and ends up looking like a freak.
I hear helicopters a lot. Can't believe the NYPD denies their existence here! Very strange!
They commercialize it to promote it as luxury housing with amenities, which it certainly is not. No doormen, pool, nothing. The tacky amenities are featured because it is an old project. This approach is not working. They must fill these apartments with student dorms and transients. Most families move out when they encounter the noise, thin walls, student demo, pot smelling halls and lack of heat. They finish their one year lease and then flee this dump. The apartment size is the only asset here. The high rentals for market rate tenants just don’t work here. I have never seen a housing development with so many students living together.
I don’t believe that unrenovated apartments can buy appliances from outside vendors. I think they must go through ST and are charged a lot for the same items that are in the renovated apartments.
"Awakened at 9 am by idiots with whistles coaching little leaguers on the playground outside my apartment. Saturday is the one day I get to sleep in. I am not paying 3k a month to live in a carnival. No wonder they can't rent apartments here."
My understanding is different. They are not having a problem renting these apartments at all. I know there aren't any vacancies on my floor and haven't been for quite some time.
I don't disagree that this is an embarrassing place to live though, at any price. Ahhh, these damn "golden handcuffs."
They are not having problems renting because many of the apartments are filled with students, tourists and the occasional city subsidized. My building is over half students. Plus the turnover is incredibly large. They have many ways of renting these apartments to unrelated roomies and they have deals with NYU and other schools. Not sure about PC but ST is chock full of students. That is why they are filled. I had 6 different neighbors in 6 years.
No vacancies because there is an endless pool of students and unrelated roomies.
8:48 yeah no vacancies but look at the demo in the market rate apartments. Three college guys or roomies living together. Then they turn over the apartment after a year or two.
"I don’t believe that unrenovated apartments can buy appliances from outside vendors. I think they must go through ST and are charged a lot for the same items that are in the renovated apartments."
I am in a non-renovated apartment with 2 window units, One can go outside to buy but as per the contract, if they need to be replaced, the unit must be approved by SPS and then SPS will inspect post installation. The go to place used to be the Frenchman's (I purchased mine from them) on First Ave, they are not located there anymore, they still install, very mixed reviews on them now. Both of my current units are Friedricks, solid units, at least 13 years old and still going strong. I believe PC Richards on West 23rd Street does good work.
If one lives in a non-renovated apartment and want to now opt in for A/C and never had their wiring updated, I know it is a major cost hit to update the wiring and I am not sure what restrictions there are, if any, on buying a new unit as long as they meet the requirements I speced out before.
If you live in a renovated unit, I know some of the previous management installed window units were cheap Sharps. Does anyone know what the brand(s) are the built-in A/C units that are now standard installations for all renovated apartments?
6:46 PM, can those of us who live in renovated apartments that have substandard appliances (leaky dishwasher) buy our own appliances and then take them with us when we eventually leave? I would love to stay here permanently, but not if the quality of life gets any worse. I have looked at apartments at the same rent level (even higher) and because of the beautiful grounds and trees here, I've decided to stay. I could afford to move, but I really do like my apartment and the bucolic ambience outside.
Listening to the [probably] students screaming and braying their way home through the property. Without the clusters of immature kids living away from home and using this as a dorm, this could be a really nice place to live. All they have to do is clean up the grounds, e.g., remove the discarded detritus and dog feces and have a few more safety officers patrolling to keep an eye on things, and this could be a really good place to live. I get the impression that the landlord doesn't really care though, and that guy in charge isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I've been chatting with some of the older folk who've been here for eons and they describe a much more clean and pleasant place than it is now. I believe them because I had read about the place long before I came to live here. It's a shame there's no interest in getting it back on track. The apartments are so large and comfortable. I don't share and am glad to have so much space even though it's a tad expensive for the kind of half-assed characters who manage the place! Maybe they don't pay them much and don't require much in the way of experience and education. That's the impression I get, but I may be wrong. Don't think so, though! It could be run so much better if they would make a bit of effort and not be so half-assed.
The communication for the people in the gas outage building is first class it is just what you’d expect from a Fortune 500 company!
Unintelligible dry erase boards in the Terrace level but not on m. The messages scrawled on the boards make zero sense. No idea of what will happen next or when....
My counsel has recommended I take picture of those signs and all fliers. She says the reason there is no email so there is no paper trial. So when the lawsuits come there will be no evidence.
Shifty bastards. And where is the TA? More scum buckets
The problem here is definitely the student and transient demo. They cannot rent the high priced apartments without it. Take that away and the noisy concerts and dogs and you have a nice place to live. But it is not going to happen.
the ad campaign can be Rent in PcvStuy all together. Share the building with everyone Rent here no real walls or floors you will be communal completely as you will enjoy to hear farts, cries, abuse, screaming, laughter, music, parties dogs. Come one come all.
About the vultures in a coffeeshop last year and what they were discussing in connection with the money they are making from us:
I just heard the usual words tossed around: apartments, maybe inspections, walk-throughs, the work that had to be done, etc. Nothing specific or special.
Keep your eyes open for "suits" walking around here as the weather warms up; keep your eyes open for increasing numbers of their rental agents shepherding innocent victims around and extolling the virtues and joys of this luxurious "community." I have become involved in the "conversation" more than once to set the prospective renters straight on what extreme disturbance and disruption and filth it is. Just one resident's perspective!
I've also had people walking through here stop and inquire if I could recommend this place as a home. Again - I informed them of what this joint is.
And it is worth speaking to some of the many, many, many workers here. Some of them, especially the older ones, will relate details which will confirm your suspicions of how bad it might be!
Have you seen the consummate insanity of their new advertisements? One of the current bulletins on our elementary school bulletin boards on Main and Terrace levels exhorts us to apply for A JOB WORKING FOR BLACKMOLD!
Anyone need a summer job doing something that counts, is meaningful?
The extent of their mental, emotional, and psychological stupidity, and their cognitive deficits are breathtaking.
The problem is the inconsiderate families who have zero rugs and kids and dogs running amok. They do not give a shit, same as students.
Dorm living at its best
Town & Village newspaper must have been taken over by Blackstone. There is never anything published in it about the horrors of living here. Nothing about the gas outage in several buildings, nothing about the lack of heat this past winter, nothing about anything that Management doesn't want discussed in an open forum. What a joke of a newspaper.
Why do we need an article about numerous buildings being without gas for numerous months when we can have an article about Maloney at the Met Gala in a firefighters jacket??
The priorities of Sabina and crew is so obvious.
The Town & Village newspaper is a journalistic disgrace.
ZERO integrity on the part of editor Christopher Hagedorn.
His dad, Charles Hagedorn, must be rolling in his grave.
NOT A SINGLE ARTICLE on tenant dissatisfaction or issues of lack of heat, dormification, noise, etc.
Instead, puff pieces and a phony letter extolling the "wonders" of Blackstone.
Clearly, T & V newspaper is in the pockets of Management.
How sad!
A true rag!
Grow a pair of "cujones" Chris and do your job!
Not sure how or why anyone refuses to move from here. My neighbors cellphone is ringing and we can hear it clear as bells. Thus her full discussion with her Russian mother.
"The only thing I would recommend about Stuytown is the beautiful green trees and .... well, that's about it! My last apartment on the UES faced an ugly building. The beautiful grounds were the selling point for me when I moved in two springs ago."
This is nothing. You should have been here before they took down all the great trees.
"My understanding is different. They are not having a problem renting these apartments at all. I know there aren't any vacancies on my floor and haven't been for quite some time."
If they could rent the apartments they wouldn't need the students and the city subsidized folks. Whoever, is telling you otherwise must work for Beam Living.
Blackstone business practices are inhumane. There will be justice.
Well, the mail was pleasant the last couple of days. Final approval for the MCI for the hot water heater arrived on Saturday and the final approval for the MCI for the gas piping replacement arrived on Monday.
The one for the gas piping was most amusing. They discounted our rent while we didn't have gas. They will recoup that entire discount in less time than we went without gas.
Can’t make this shit up... there’s a picture on the official Stuy Town Instagram page of two girls in skimpy cheerleader outfits sprawled across two laundry carts. I have no comment.
Exactly. They need the students and city subsidized to fill these apartments. Perhaps no vacancies on your floor, but look at who is living there other than the older tenants.
https://news.yahoo.com/led-light-damage-eyes-health-authority-warns-002221659.html
>>The "blue light" in LED lighting can damage the eye's retina and disturb natural sleep rhythms, France's government-run health watchdog said this week.<<
https://www.stuytown.com/sustainability/leed
>>In 2017, StuyTown announced the largest private multi-family residential rooftop solar project in the United States. Full installation of the system is nearly complete, and electricity is already being generated on-site. Other StuyTown initiatives include compost waste pickup, LED lighting installation, high-efficiency hot water heat exchangers, elevator shaft louvers to minimize heat loss, domestic water flow control valves, and centralized control of steam heating distribution.<<
It's not just the LED lights that are at issue but the Solar panels too. Much research shows they do at least as much harm as good. They raise the ambient temperature in the area they are in by several degrees. In a city environment that heat stays thus making it warmer requiring more power to cool the area. They create some power but make you use more power at the same time thus defeating the purpose they were installed for. An individual would never recoup the costs of installing at that rate, could even lose money. Not to mention they kill birds.
Seen just now: Two club cars, one for C & V Construction and one for Legacy Construction. This on top of all the ST club cars going this way and that. Management doesn't care and, for sure, even approves. Even if these club cars cross 20th street, which to me is a legal no-no.
BTW, all these club cars make fumes like a bus. They stink up the place and pedestrians.
"Can’t make this shit up... there’s a picture on the official Stuy Town Instagram page of two girls in skimpy cheerleader outfits sprawled across two laundry carts. I have no comment."
Did not see that shot but I did see this shot called "#GAYBEERBONG", showing a Bro grinding against the rear of a Broette during a typical Sty Town party.
Woo!
https://www.instagram.com/p/kf8faarFeg/
"Can’t make this shit up... there’s a picture on the official Stuy Town Instagram page of two girls in skimpy cheerleader outfits sprawled across two laundry carts. I have no comment."
Me again, I see it now at the official ST Instagram page. The link I provided was not the official ST Instagram one.
Woo again!
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bxc6SUgn7-9/
Just heard that a helicopter crashed into the East River today. I hope nobody was hurt, but I'm glad it didn't crash into Stuyvesant Town - a risk that asshole Powers has no qualms about exposing us to.
Three freshly laid turds in the stairwell this morning.
Nice!
Luxury living at its best.
"BTW, all these club cars make fumes like a bus. They stink up the place and pedestrians."
...and they frequently idle right outside people's apartment windows, sending fumes billowing into open windows. No one at Beam Living has a clue!
"just heard that a helicopter crashed into the East River today."
it was the Hudson River . And he took off from the West 30 St. pad. Does not make it better but facts matter.
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-helicopter-crashes-hudson-river-20190515-xu2o4tickrg7vgibaodbwcwcsm-story.html
So what. Whoopdydoo. They can’t even provide heat during the winter.
"Three freshly laid turds in the stairwell this morning."
Please take a photograph and email it to Rick, Kathleen Kehoe and, if you can find it, The Blackstone Head Office.
"..and they frequently idle right outside people's apartment windows, sending fumes billowing into open windows. No one at Beam Living has a clue!"
They hire the dregs here. The absolute dregs. Do you think Rick Hayduk was Blackstone's top-tier choice? He couldn't run a motel in North Dakota.
So what was the result of the hearing on the booze license for the 5 Turd Cafe?
What's with people who leave their rotting garbage OUTSIDE the carriage room doors?
Explain why there is a case of empty beer bottles left by the mailboxes?
Hey, kids, this isn't a college dorm.
Actual grownups live here.
>>So what was the result of the hearing on the booze license for the 5 Turd Cafe?<<
I just got off of the phone with the Community Board: The vote was FOR.
As I said, the fix was in from the get-go.
They are obviously quite happy with the way he runs things which is their way, as he has been here over three years. Good PR man, likable to some of the older tenants. Just what they want to accomplish their goal of turning the place into a dorm dump.
@3:53 PM. I am one of the older tenants and have met him. I think he is a phony, smarmy ASSHOLE! I wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw him.
When I met him, he had an answer for everything, real company man with not a whole lot of integrity, but I do have older tenant friends who
like him and have excuses for him.
To 5/17 8:45 Am
We have this going on at 635 e. 14th St.
When you call PS to get someone to come over and address the tenants who left it (their name and apt, number right on the garbage) it's always a hassle. there's a sign right outside the recycling area but these utter lazy dunces don't rad or don't care. It's garbage - let someone else pick it up Bro.
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