Work has begun on the complex's new management office, which is going to be an extension of the space that is/was used by Oval Concierge. The latter will now be housed across the 1st Street Loop.
Unfortunately, my time to look into this is extremely limited at this point, but I do want to post information that the project has generated some controversy. A few tenants are monitoring work permits and the Department of Buildings responses to the plans for this construction. Seems the DOB did not acquiesce to the plans on 12/23/2013, but then changed its position on most of the applications on 12/27/2013. Also, recently, a stop work order was issued by the DOB when no permits were available and yet work was proceeding. (The permits are up and on display now.)
The overriding issue is whether this construction is one more instance of the removal of tenant use of property in favor of management space and commercial space. Certainly, we are currently seeing various areas of the complex being transformed for such usage. And nothing is stopping CWCapital from crafting commercial usage out of pockets of PCVST, as long as the commercial entities are, wink-wink, "for residents and their guests."
Interesting, too, that management is building a new office near 1st Ave as a protection against another Hurricane Sandy, but will be selling the previous space along the FDR drive for a commercial entity that will have something do with children. So one assumes that it's okay for a children's area and the garages along that street to be at the potential mercy of a hurricane, but not the management or security office. Just as a thought: I wonder if something far less expensive could be crafted to protect that side of Stuy Town (and Peter Cooper Village) in the event of another similar, and rare, hurricane. Was this ever looked into? And what will the protection be for the east side of PCVST if another devastating hurricane does come?
... And is the construction of this new management office another MCI waiting to happen?
An October report on the project from Town & Village:
http://town-village.com/2013/10/18/cw-talks-plans-for-new-management-office/
144 comments:
And where is Dan? I think he is a CW man.
Dan the man
Dan the man
Dan the Cee Doubleyou man.
Our next protest cheer.
I think your catastrophizing a bit. If they put some sort of children's service on Ave C, seems like they'd have time to close in case of dramatic weather predictions. We are not yet subject to unpredicted flash flooding.
As a long-time tenant,rent stabilized, I find you tend toward the overly negative and are a bit curmudgeonly. I do appreciate your efforts though.
Dan was told of tenant opposition to the construction last Spring 2013. He did NOTHING.
Dan was told its wrong to spend $5+million on these offices while he is telling the press tenants will soon be hit with mci for plumbing upgrades on our old pipes.
He didn't care.
The buildings have weak foundations, weak plumbing, old electrical wiring and overstressed walls.
11,000 square feet of offices will overburden the buildings infrastructure.
This construction is unsafe to expand the cellar to build 11,000 square ft offices.
For comparison, the Oval amenities buildings are 1700 square ft. This building is 5 times the size of an Oval amenity building.
Its reckless and unsafe. If anything goes awry with the usual shoddy CW workmanship the city is at fault as much as CW and TA. Tenants have been vocal about our safety concerns to every city agency.
We also spent a little time telling the local pols and TA as a formality - not expecting them to do right - but they can't say "we didn't know". They know.
ok, so $5+ million dollars so they can turn around and sell it to us for 5 times that - really the TA and Garodnick is allowing tenants to be ripped off with this?!
Now there is NO WAY we will buy into a Garodnick CW TA Brookstone negotiated deal.
No way!
This is the meeting we commented on earlier that the TA lied!
the TA quietly slipped notices under doors in CW style inviting tenants from 272 274 276 278 280 300 first avenue to a meeting to "discuss" the office construction and pretended to invite the local pols garodnick hoylman kavanagh (who obviously didnt show up for the fake meeting) and invited cw compass rock although cw compass rock were not guests but actually they ran the meeting!
the TA oct 7 2013 invitation was a trick to get us to attend a CW Compass Rock meeting (see article link below).
when we arrived it was clear this was a trick by the TA as they had CW Compass Rock run the meeting with the TA speaking up here and there to make sure we don't oppose the CW Compass Rock plan.
the TA lied to us.
the TA also did NOT bring the construction plans but instead gave us a lot of lip service and more lies. they had the plans but didnt want to show us them.
shady shady.
don't trust the TA!
and don't attend a TA meeting its a trick to get you to attend a CW Compass Rock meeting!
mad as heck they did that to us!
the TA works with CW for Dan who works for the real estate developers including Brookstone (which are ex Tishman employees) and Compass Rock (which are ex Tishman employees)
NO ONE IS PROTECTING THE TENANTS NOR THE PROPERTY.
WE ARE ON OUR OWN and better off for it.
This is criminal by the three amigo politicians who should have protected the homes of 30,000 people with a court order that money spent on the property goes to the infrastructure ONLY and not to frivolous new buildings for amenities. instead the three amigos pushed the real estate developers agenda to put a
$15+ million dollars strip mall in what was once an 80 acre park of homes to enrich the lives of the POLITICIANS!
So stupid - especially while the homes are in need of plumbing work! how greedy and stupid are these people?!
good lord - you don't build a home office when your house needs updates plumbing.
especially when your home is smack in the middle of one of the biggest office filled cities in the world.
STPCV used to look like upscale tree park with homes, families, community.
now it looks like an industrial wasteland downscale low class strip mall.
and soon it will look like every other overdeveloped block in nyc unless these greedy scheisters are stopped.
what did they promise the TA - a big corner office in their $5million new office to go with their oval gym across the the ta president's home?
time for a new TA that truly represents the tenants and not the politicians.
time for an owner who prioritizes the people living in stpcv and the integrity of the property rather than the get rich quick schemes of already filthy rich overseers.
time for a new council man - bye dan. you did us wrong.
time for a new purchase proposal on the table because the TA CW agreement with Dan and Brookstone will bankrupt not only the property but also all those who buy into it.
this is pure greed by the TA CW!
shame on TA CW!
If we have to see the faces of the TA across from our building 300 first ave while you sit in your new disgusting offices DO NOT SPEAK TO US.
You do not deserve to be on the property let alone in what used to be my peaceful quiet front yard with oak trees, dogwood, 3 7ft story trees and a dozen 3 story.
Do not even dare to look our way.
You lied to us on Oct 7 and all year for that fact.
Do not show your face here.
the permits are not signed off yet! tenants are still fighting. and are forcing CW TA to be truthful in their permit applications as their plans don't match the permits.
CW TA tried to build offices in our residential building. we tenants fought it. Now CW TA have applied to rezone 274 from Residential to Commercial. We are pushing back.
CW TA lied to the dept of buildings claiming no change in use, exits occupancy to get their partial approval when they are changing use, exits and occupancy with the addition of office workers. so blatant their lies.
274 should not be rezoned for commercial use.
we asked Hoylman to keep his word and oppose the rezoning - still waiting on his actions to match his words keeping our building residential. will he succeed?
so permits are not signed off -
the rezoning is pending -
and the fire and sprinkler system they proposed with their lie of no change in occupancy is still DISAPPROVED by the dept of buildings.
09/23/2013 121333958 01 A1 P APPROVED 12/27/2013 0020939 RA STAND PENDING
CHANGE OF USE TO ADD MANAGEMENT OFFICES IN THE CELLAR AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS
Work on Floor(s): CEL
10/07/2013 121333958 03 A1 P APPROVED 12/27/2013 0080880 PE BABUR PENDING
MECHANICAL WORK ASSOCIATED WITH ADDITION OF MANAGEMENT OFFICES IN THE CELL
Work on Floor(s): CEL
10/07/2013 121333958 04 A1 P APPROVED 12/27/2013 0080880 PE BABUR PENDING
PLUMBING WORK ASSOCIATED WITH ADDITION OF MANAGEMENT OFFICES IN THE CELLAR
Work on Floor(s): CEL
10/08/2013 121333958 02 A1 P APPROVED 12/27/2013 0077443 PE CERINO PENDING
STRUCTURAL WORK ASSOCIATED WITH ADDITION OF MANAGEMENT OFFICES IN THE CELL
Work on Floor(s): CEL
10/11/2013 121235859 01 A2 J P/E DISAPPROVED 10/31/2013 0080880 PE BABUR NOT APPLICABLE
INSTALL NEW SPRINKLER HEADS AND RELATED PIPING AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED
Work on Floor(s): CEL
10/16/2013 121796636 01 A2 J P/E DISAPPROVED 10/29/2013 0071108 PE TAMAYO NOT APPLICABLE
INSTALL NEW FIRE ALARM DEVICES AS SHOWN ON DRAWINGS FILED HEREWITH. NO CHA
Work on Floor(s): CEL
>>I think your catastrophizing a bit. If they put some sort of children's service on Ave C, seems like they'd have time to close in case of dramatic weather predictions.<<
I didn't suggest that the kids wouldn't be evacuated before a hurricane, but that the area would be flooded again. That's why my question of what CW is doing to prepare for the possibility of another hurricane along Ave C.
stuytownreporter is right.
ave c was not properly cleaned of black mold in a responsible time frame - its UNSAFE for kids and should be inspected thoroughly behind walls under floors before we put kids in the space!
stuy town reporter isn't catastrophizing. its reckless and deceptive to tell a kids day care company their stuff is safe while at the same time deeming it unsafe for office equipment because their could be another flood.
The space is either unsafe or safe.
But you cant say its safe for day care but not for adult offices.
To the poster who keeps calling the RE company that Dan and the TA are in cahoots with: it's Brookfield, not Brookstone.
317 Ave C is not zoned for commercial use. it cannot be rented out to a third party company. CW Susan Steinberg TA need to stop their negotiating with day care companies.
its illegal use of the space.
to whom do we report this?
"If we have to see the faces of the TA across from our building...."
The TA is not going into those offices. CW/CR are going in there. THINK before you type! Please!
who does that? who puts a day care company in a dangerous location?
oh the stpcv TA - that's who.
we will never have our good name affiliated with the bad acts of the stpcv TA!
garage 5 flooded twice and everyone lost their cars.
TA CW have not made the garage safe for our cars.
they have not put in drainage.
they have not properly cleaned it. they have not repaired the electrical wiring from the fires of the Sandy flood.
CW TA made everyone in garage 3,4 put their cars in 5 before the storm.
then didnt protect garage 5 from flooding even though it has a history of flooding.
TA CW dont care about our cars or our getting to work.
they dont care about safe locations for kids day care.
they care only about lining their pockets.
they are ugly ugly people inside and out.
GARAGE 5 SHOULD BE CLOSED - ITS A HAZARD!
Shame on you TA!
"I would be really shocked if they did away with the Community Center."
Really? Why? They it before. Are you new here?
the reason (excuse) TA CW gave for spending millions on new offices was to have a command center in case of the next flood hitting.
but the kids day care can be washed away in the next flood - who cares. and our cars can be washed away in the next flood. TA CW dont care about that either.
the real reason - TA CW want to charge tenants 10X that for the shiny new offices in the purchase scam they are "negotiating" (colluding).
offices that replace open space park and trees in nyc. because in nyc there aren't any offices and way too many trees.
TA CW we know you dont care about tenants. we dont care about you either. you are awful people. lowest of low.
Disgusting. wtf is wrong with this owner - and CR? I almost prefer Rose and / or Tishman now!!!!!
WTF
People keep talking about the TA's new offices, courtesy of CW. What are you all talking about? Where is this gonna be? Are you sure about this? Sounds fishy to me. Details, please.
Snakes!
I'm really confused about the new tenants and the new leases. We pay a boatload to be here. Not complaining just YET. But why do we keep getting the Mci increases and won't this drive new tenants out also?
Don't they want the revenue from the high rent here?
and yes, the m c i are mentioned in the lease. Just don't understand their marketing business strategy.
STR, I really wish you would give more thought to allowing posts through that have such unsubstantiated allegations.
"Dan was told its wrong to spend $5+million on these offices while he is telling the press tenants will soon be hit with mci for plumbing upgrades on our old pipes.
He didn't care."
There has been no plumbing work done on apartments that has been filed with DHCR for an MCI. It's possible (and I don't know it for a fact) that when apartments are renovated, they might be doing partial riser replacements in the renovated apartments. The plumbing issue is no secret. When Harry Helmsley bought Parkchester, they had to replace all the riser plumbing because it was leaking and ceilings were collapsing. Expect the same problems in ST/PCV, which is why I think they are probably doing some incremental work with the apartment renovations. Remember that there already was an MCI for the replacement of water lines, water tanks and valves that they did before they did the repaving.
"The buildings have weak foundations, weak plumbing, old electrical wiring and overstressed walls."
Most of this statement seems like unsubstantiated hogwash. If they're building additions to 274/76/78, they'll need to augment the plumbing and electrical where necessary. The rest of the buildings were completely rewired with the Air Conditioning upgrade. Foundations ? Seems highly unlikely there's a problem. I'd call the DOB if you see the walls cracking.
"11,000 square feet of offices will overburden the buildings infrastructure."
See my above comment. They need to make allowances to provide enough water and electric, and specify that in the plans.
"This construction is unsafe to expand the cellar to build 11,000 square ft offices. "
Any your substantiation of this statement is ??? Again, if you have questions, call the Department of Buildings. They are in charge of this.
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I just don't get the point of relentlessly bashing the TA by what seems to be a single anonymous poster. If you have provable charges of malfeasance, bring them before the appropriate body. Otherwise.... get off your fat ass and DO something about what's being done here. Organize your fellow tenants. Get out in the street with a clipboard and collect support. Go to Albany. Go to the Atty. General, but for god's sake, please stop with the constant, constant bitching, moaning and complaining about all of this. We KNOW about it.. it's been going on for YEARS now, and it should be pretty obvious to everyone that just COMPLAINING won't do a damn thing to fix it !
I would like to respond to January 12, 2014 at 1:54 PM.
I live in one of the buildings affected by the location of the new management office and was the guy who "quietly slipped notices under doors in CW style" in my building for the TA. It sounds like the commenter is trying to insinuate something by that. Are you?
In addition to these flyers, I got an email blast about the meeting. So did everyone else in the affected buildings who are on the TA's blast email list.
Both TA notices said the meeting was "To Discuss New Management Office In 276 First Ave and Its Potential Impact on Residents, Green Space and Playground #8." It ended on this -- "We think it advisable at this time to organize residents of the potentially affected buildings which surround the proposed site to share information."
And that is exactly what the meeting was about, sharing info. So I'm not sure why the commenter is "mad as heck they did that to us."
I actually attended the meeting, along with about 30 others, tops. No way were 100 people there. John Marsh and Susan Steinberg ran the meeting. First CW Cap reps gave a presentation. The CW Cap reps neglected to bring visuals -- the architect's plans -- but they where very clear in describing what the plans are. The above commenter charges that the TA had the plans, but "didnt want to show us them." That's a pretty nasty accusation that should be backed up.
Then Marsh and Steinberg ran the questioning session. I was one of a number of hostile questioners. The subject hit again and again was other possible locations for the new mgmt office, including Security's old location on 14th St between Aves B and C. All of the least obtrusive locations discussed were on the flood plain. I'm not happy about it at all, but see no other options other than something on or near First Ave.
As for the structure itself. CW Cap reps were hit hard and repeatedly on it, especially the roof, skylights, and ventilation system. Who know if we made an impact, but we tried.
January 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM
Your post is interesting. I hadn't heard about an effort to rezone and do not recall it being mentioned at the meeting. Does the entire project hinge on this rezoning?
Regarding rezoning. A quick Google show that the City Planning Commission has the authority needed to modify zoning for a specific project. Or the owner can request a variance from the Board of Standards and Appeals. The Board of Standards and Appeals can also issue modification of certain limited zoning regulations. This sounds complicated.
I hate the idea of putting the mgmt office here, but because of the problems with the flood plain, this effort may be an uphill slog. I would like to hear more about it, though. Maybe Sabina at T&V can get on it.
they should use the space on 14th - the old security office - for the offices. and not spend millions on new offices that were planned by tishman.
the offices should set up on 14th - its flood safe,
its existing,
its financially responsible, it protects the integrity of stpcv.
and it keeps the purchase price better for tenants to buy.
>>People keep talking about the TA's new offices, courtesy of CW. What are you all talking about? Where is this gonna be? Are you sure about this? Sounds fishy to me. Details, please.<<
I'd like details, too.
>>STR, I really wish you would give more thought to allowing posts through that have such unsubstantiated allegations.<<
That's why posters can press for proof. BTW, Garodnick did leave the door open for an MCI on plumping fixes.
i'd like to hear more on the rezoning too. has the TA said anything on the rezoning? are they rezoning all those buildings for new offices? does that mean all our buildings can be rezoned for commercial use? wasn't that the only thing that kept us safe from this very type of construction?
There's more black mold in ST than people even know. Renting the old management office out to a day care is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen. Why is Susan Steinberg negotiating deals like this in the first place? Is she a realtor and a member of the fashion police?
most of these facts in the above comments on the offices were left in flyers in the laundry rooms. it was signed tenants of first ave loop, oval and pcv. they all came true so far.
I can understand the frustration of those unhappy with the TA because of what they aren't doing - they aren't opposing the rezoning.
I wouldn't doubt if the above comment is true that TA wants it rezoned because they aren't fighting it.
On the other thread a tenant posted their DOB fight records status so whoever bashed tenants for being outspoken on the TA - it seems the tenants are doing more than the TA.
I'm behind the tenants! Thank you tenants for fighting to keep STPCV residential.
I'll admit it I have said the TA should step down if they are not doing the right thing by tenants. That does not mean I am going to give up my practice to take on a TA position or should have to.
Every tenant has the right to expect the TA to do a good job.
As my dad would tell me and I tell my son, the TA needs to grow a pair, keep a stiff upper lip take criticism on the chin, let it roll of your shoulder and keep up the good fight.
If the TA is feeling bashed its probably because the tenants are getting bashed and the TA is supposed to fight for the tenants. So yeah, step down if you are not up for the fight. I'm sure someone else will step up.
5:09 on the rezoning
i hate the offices too!
my neighbor is one of those fighting it. he just sent me this. the plan is pending zoning approval. how do we fight this rezoning?!?!
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=7&passjobnumber=121333958&passdocnumber=01
Development Challenge Process is pending Zoning Approval. For any issues, please contact the relevant borough office.
Last Action: PLAN EXAM - APPROVED 12/27/2013 (P)
Application approved on: 12/27/2013
Pre-Filed: 09/18/2013 Building Type: Other Estimated Total Cost: $3,194,738.00
geez TA if you cry about a blog thread how are we supposed to feel confident about you negotiating the mci's with heavy hitters andrew macarthur cw and the commissioner of the dhcr.
it sounds like the tenants are getting up off their butts and doing something.
we need a tougher stronger heavy hitter strong negotiator TA!
i agree the Ta needs to step up and fight or step aside.
thanks tenants!
for speaking up about our anger and frustration and for fighting this fight. we hate the offices too!
how do we call the dob to help fight the offices?
how do we fight the rezoning?
and who is sabina and what can she do?
is she the one the TA is afraid wants to take over? maybe she should!
this is a serious matter.
let me know how to join the fight.
Isn't Cuomo up for re-election and slammed for failing at Affordable Housing - wouldn't it help him to help us?
STPCV is a rare unique affordable housing property - to save STPCV would go a long way for a politician running for office.
Did anyone call his office?
GO TENANTS!!!!!
For anyone who wants to challenge the rezoning
here is a link to the simple form
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/downloads/pdf/zrd2.pdf
here is a link to the instructions
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/downloads/pdf/zrd2ccd2_instr.pdf
here is the building number
BIN: 1082869 Block: 972 Lot: 1
here is the job number
121333958
you can do it anonymously
the tenants have been doing a lot to protect stpcv - we've been up off or asses on this for over a year now.
please join us and take the few minutes to fill out this simple form and send or email it to
Mail: Director of Customer Service 280 Broadway, Room 572
New York, NY 10007
Fax: 212-566-3030, Attn: Director of Customer Service
Email:
publicchallenge@buildings.nyc.gov
thank you for joining the tenant's fight to save our homes!
wow I don't think we should buy into the Brookstone deal.
I want to help fight the office construction with the tenants.
Where do we sign up?
What can we do?
Just a notation: The comments here may seem as if they are from a number of people, and perhaps they are, but they could also be from a very limited number of people.
Wow Wow Wow - just received the chain email link to your site.
Thanks for reporting on Stuy Town!
Couldn't believe it when we saw the train playground was closed.
This explains a lot.
this explains a lot. we really do look like a nj strip mall! so sad.
i miss the trees. and black mold scares me. and now an office building instead of trees. so mad.
thx stuytownreporter - love ur site.
TO: January 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM who said
"I live in one of the buildings affected by the location of the new management office and was the guy who "quietly slipped notices under doors in CW style" in my building for the TA. It sounds like the commenter is trying to insinuate something by that. Are you?"
I don't think anyone is insinuating anything. Even the press news article said "reps for CW quietly met....."
see below
By Sabina Mollot
"In anticipation of major construction work to be done on the First Avenue Loop for the new management office, reps for CWCapital quietly met with residents in buildings along the loop last week to discuss the planned project and their concerns."
Seems this was on the down low. That was the reporters take on the meeting.
I never heard about it.
I don't think you should take it as a personal attack on you 2:21. It sounds like CWTA kept it quiet.
It is my hope the thread grows and grows to reach all tenants. I hope it is already many people. Its good information we all should have. We all need to come together and fight.
The article tells it all.
Everyone needs to read the press article.
The TA said they didn't care the character was becoming more commercial less residential with 100 office workers.
"And a few trees would come down" this on top of the hundred they took down already this past year. A lot of trees are coming down for Susan's TA offices. Just read the article and all will see the tenants are right in their fight to protect STPCV.
"As for residents’ concerns, Steinberg recalled that there was some mention of a lack of access due to the fact that there would be a staff of 100 people doing this work and a staff-only entrance.
“So the character of the whole area is going to change,” said Steinberg. “It will be less residential in character and more commercial.”
http://town-village.com/2013/10/18/cw-talks-plans-for-new-management-office/
The tenants are right.
Everyone needs to read this blog!
This post!
And this comment thread!
Send it to everyone you know in STPCV!
http://stuytownreport.blogspot.com/
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1837176580996082182&postID=7724315875423243560
omg - so if the building has 150 people living in it and will now have 100 people in the offices it will almost double in people.
its completely changing. the entire block from 16th to 18th First Ave Loop will become so commercial.
they just destroyed STPCV to a point of no return.
why?!?! it used to be so great here.
please tenants win the fight!
Whoever is behind most of these posts is seriously off his or her meds.
1. "who puts a day care company in a dangerous location? oh the stpcv TA - that's who."
The TA has nothing to do with this. It's all CW. But feel free to let future customers know about the situation so that no one patronizes the facility, whatever it turns out to be.
2. "the reason (excuse) TA CW gave for spending millions on new offices was to have a command center in case of the next flood hitting."
The TA doesn't have an office and has no plans to get one. These are CW's offices.
3. "TA CW have not made the garage safe for our cars."
The TA does not manage the garages.
"Garodnick did leave the door open for an MCI on plumping fixes." STR: As you undoubtedly know, the state has guidelines as to what constitutes an MCI. This is not under Dan's control.
Rezoning: What are we talking about? The new flood designations?
There's a lot of irresponsible and inaccurate frothing at the mouth from one poster on this thread, who isn't entirely coherent.
The T&V article certainly makes it seem the TA CW are working together. I trust the tenants and the T&V
CW TA are definitely working together.
What? They are turning an entire block of Stuyvesant Town into commercial offices and all the TA says is "we are losing a few trees and gaining 100 office employees so it will be more commercial"
WTF?!
Thanks TACW and Dan!
Sounds like there's a nut or a few nuts on this thread. The TA and CW are two separate entities and not on the same side. The new offices are for management, not the Tenants Association a/k/a the TA. The RE company that Garodnick wants to partner with is BrookFIELD, not Brookstone.
According to Town & Village CW "quietly held" the meeting that the TA invited tenants to.
"Leading the meeting was Andrew Cain, an asset manager for CWCapital and Claire Hackney, vice president of construction for the company, who answered the bulk of tenants’ questions."
Susan Steinberg TA, Andrew Cain CW and Claire Hackney VP at construction company want to build commercial offices rezoning the First Ave Loop to Commercial.
The tenants stood alone opposing the Cain CW Steinberg TA Hackney plans.
Thank you tenants for fighting this!
STPCV has 4 loops and 1 Oval.
Cain CW and Steinberg TA have commercialized the Oval and now are commercializing a Loop - 2/5 of STPCV is commercial so far.
It is there in black and white - STEINBERG TA AND CAIN CW DEFENDED THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING!
There is a CW TA alliance.
To the man or woman who slipped the TA invitations under tenants doors, maybe you didn't know the TA was inviting tenants to a CW run meeting. But it was clear to the reporter covering the meeting this was quietly held.
http://town-village.com/2013/10/18/cw-talks-plans-for-new-management-office/
IS THE TA PISSED OFF THE TENANTS ARE FIGHTING TO KEEP STPCV RESIDENTIAL?
GOOD!
THE TENANTS ARE PISSED OFF THE TA WANTS TO MAKE STPCV COMMERCIAL!
EVERYONE COMPLAINS ABOUT THE TA UNDER THEIR BREATH.
NOW YOU ARE BEING CALLED OUT.
SO PROVE US ALL WRONG.
FIGHT FOR THE TENANTS AND KEEP THE FIRST AVE LOOP RESIDENTIAL!
AND WE WILL EAT CROW.
WE ARE ALL WATCHING YOU TA.
FORMALLY OPPOSE THE COMMERCIALIZATION OF THE FIRST AVE LOOP!
I'd like to know what office space the TA is going to get.
I believe some of the most recent information, but this, sorry, I can't believe.
I also see no evidence that the TA is working with CW to ravage this community. Does the TA have talks with CW? Absolutely. And the TA is upfront about it, and those talks have to do with things like MCIs, etc. I would hope there are talks between the two entities!
BTW, from what we know, the plans for the new management office do include some form of the playground, and benches for residents to sit on. But, yes, some trees had to be cut or are going to be cut.
>>"Garodnick did leave the door open for an MCI on plumping fixes." STR: As you undoubtedly know, the state has guidelines as to what constitutes an MCI. This is not under Dan's control.<<
It's not under Dan's control, but legal pushbacks against MCIs are part of tenants' rights, and Dan simply surrendered here.
I don't care if it is 1 person or 10,000 people fighting.
I don't care if they are on or off meds but that is a low assault on character when the commentors have a lot of facts and records from Department of NYC Buildings and newspapers.
Hard not to believe Them. Him. Or Her. Who cares their sex?
Stick to the facts.
Count me in on the commercial challenge form - I'll send it today!
SIGNED
A Him or Her or Them in PCV.
I don't see where anyone said the Tenant association gets office space - but I see how they could when if they buy Stuyvesant in a tenant bid. Wouldn't they?
Is that what they are saying? The Board would have office space when CW moves out.
They let CW build it because there is no way if put to a vote by tenant condo owners they would approve of this. Tenant owners would insist on using the 14th street old security offices. Rightly so.
This STINKS!
Totally agree STR!
Just found out that when a landlord applies for an MCI is the time to start push back.
You're not supposed to wait after its been approved by DHCR to push back as Dan and the STPCV TA do.
We need someone who will instruct and lead all tenants to individually push back on MCI at time of application so a large number of people easily have our say.
Otherwise DHCR says things like "only 2 people opposed" and we get stuck with windows that are hard to clean and don't open and close properly.
We would have opposed if we lived here then because the windows should be easier to use.
Anyone know where we can buy screens cheaper than landlord?
"seriously off his or her meds" is a mean thing to say.
Maybe the comments hit a nerve with you.
Being on meds is not a joke.
Please, PLEASE pick up the phone and make a few calls, STR. You can easily contact the TA to either corroborate or contradict some of the craziness on this insane thread, esp about the TA getting office space. If you have questions about rezoning maybe they can help with that, or maybe Dan can. This is important. People are sowing disinformation here and deliberately confusing your readers and it's not helping this community.
Also. I was at the meeting. According to CampusRock reps, the playground will remain exactly as is. The benches closest to it will remain. However, trees down the center of the walkway are gone, as you say. The mgmt office roof with skylights and exit will extend back from between 274/276 to where the Belgian cobblestones are now. At the time, reps were not sure of the office would extend straight back in a straight line or from a "T" where 274/276 ended. The walkway nearer to the playground will remain, while the walkway on the other side of the cobblestones, the one nearer 274/276 is obviously gone.
"It's not under Dan's control, but legal pushbacks against MCIs are part of tenants' rights, and Dan simply surrendered here."
It doesn't take much for Dan to surrender. He is a spineless opportunist.
It's not under Dan's control, but legal pushbacks against MCIs are part of tenants' rights, and Dan simply surrendered here.
There are very clear protocols established by the state to push back against MCIs. They do not involve NY City Council people.
The original MCI legislation intended to offer an incentive for landlords with RS apartments to maintain things like plumbing, roofs and elevators in their buildings. That incentive was for tenants to pay for the cost of the MCI only, and maybe a little extra. The State Senate is responsible for rewriting that legislation into the big money giveaway to landlords it became, with MCI payouts becoming permanent and affixed to our rents. And so the State Senate is where the law has to be fixed, not the City Council.
It's important to hold our elected reps accountable, but when you fault Dan Garodnick for stuff like this, it just seems personal. Your dislike of him or whatever it is seems to be clouding your judgement.
uggh I hate the construction in Stuyvesant.
STR from what you know of the plans....have you seen them? Can we? Where?
If they started office construction then the plans must be somewhere.
Can the STPCV TA get the plans? Did they already post them for us? Where?
Nightmare.
Between Mr. ALLCAPS and the barely lucid TA conspiracy theorist, this board is descending into fringe lunacy. Seriously, can someone just describe in plain English, not ranting or insinuation or accusation, what is being built in the walkway/area btw 16th and 18ths near the playground on the 1st ave loop. Not "an atrocity," not a "catastrophe," though it could be those things. In descriptive English, is it a separate building? Is it a build-out into the playground or open space? Is it just for the management office or is it for other commercial tenants? What is it? I am only reading rants, not information. Can someone rational please answer? STR? Anyone?
I'll admit it I have said the TA should step down if they are not doing the right thing by tenants. That does not mean I am going to give up my practice to take on a TA position or should have to.
(1) "Doing the right thing by tenants" is awfully general. In general, I think they do that pretty well, but do not always agree with the TA on specifics. But you apparently think your general dissatisfaction with the TA trumps my general satisfaction and so the TA should resign. That's not how it works.
(2) You think the TA should resign. And someone else should volunteer to spend countless hours volunteering on your behalf. Typical.
Just to be perfectly clear. I live in one of the 6 buildngs directly impacted by the new office for management under construction. I am a dues paying TA member only, not elected to anything or holding any TA position of any kind.
>>It's important to hold our elected reps accountable, but when you fault Dan Garodnick for stuff like this,<<
Please reread my comments on this matter. Tenants have a right to challenge an MCI. When their councilman states an acceptance of an MCI (before it happens) then he is doing tenants a disservice.
>>In descriptive English, is it a separate building? Is it a build-out into the playground or open space? Is it just for the management office or is it for other commercial tenants? What is it? I am only reading rants, not information. Can someone rational please answer? STR? Anyone?<<
I don't think anyone has been shown the plans, though the DOB must have them. From what I do know, the new management office is an extension from the current concierge, going back toward 1st Ave. It will take away probably less than a half of that area, leaving behind the walkway near the playground and the playground itself, which may get some kind of upgrade.
Were these plans approved by the Amanda "the People's Burden" Burden DOB?
When their councilman states an acceptance of an MCI (before it happens) then he is doing tenants a disservice.
That is very, very badly paraphrased, STR. Garodnick only acknowledged that an MCI was possible, not that it was acceptable, preferable or anything else. He'd be nuts to do otherwise since MCIs are so freaking toxic in ST-PCV.
We've got enough on our plates at this point without inventing issues. At some point in the future, the pipes will have to be dealt with. BUT: We don't know who the new owner will be; we don't know if we'll be rental, condo or a combo; we don't know that the MCI law will remain as is.
When the time comes, hopefully we will have a say about what to do about the pipes and how to pay for them. And if we do, hopefully we can discuss it like grownups here without the distortion, false accusations, and general crazy that have so far characterized the management office 'discussion.'
From T&V:
"In the event the plumbing system that services ST/PCV is in need of major repairs or upgrades, Garodnick said an MCI could be the way to deal with that, 'although nobody's ever enthusiastic about an MCI.'"
That seems like a free pass for an MCI to me.
1:34 PM Are you the same guy who made the ignorant statement about meds?
This discussion with outrage is exactly what is needed.
After years of crap how can STPCV be anything other than outraged.
This is the best thread ever.
Its about time we have loud passionate voices heard! Only CW would try to shut us up - are you CW? You sound like CW or TA
We cant wait for pipes to burst to deal with them. We need to start thinking about that now.
I like the guy who said we need to fight mci charges when they are applied and not wait until DHCR approves them to begin fighting.
We are always behind the 8 ball because people like you 1:34 wait until its too late or stop people from doing anything.
Don't try and stop them from fighting for us.
If you don't like the conversation then butt out!
I think it kicks ass!
You don't wait for the shit to hit the fan before you deal with it.
You block it from hitting the fan in the first place!
1:34 would let it shit all over us then have us cleaning up messes all the time.
That's no way to be 1:34
"hopefully we will have a say about what to do about the pipes and how to pay for them"
hopefully?!? hopefully we will have a say?!?
This is America where you get to have a say so stop trying to shut everyone up and insulting everyone.
We need more dialogue like this.
We need to see the office plans!
Demand to see the plans!
That's not a free pass, it's a potential legal opinion. Not every legal issue is in our favor, but this one may or may not be. It's merely a possibility. It's not lying down to acknowledge the state of the law as it exists. Everything's like a defense attorney here, where no fact, no law is accepted and everything must be angrily fought to the bitter end. It is up to the law to decide if a particular plumbing improvement is just a repair or amounts to a full MCI. It's a fact-based inquiry, not a battle cry.
STR at 1:55 PM
Sorry but we differ. Everything Garodnick said in that quote is true and merely an acknowledgement of fact. Trying to turn it an acceptance of a plumbing MCI seems a little hinky to me, something like dirty politics.
>Between Mr. ALLCAPS and the barely lucid TA conspiracy theorist, this board is descending into fringe lunacy.<
Agreed. 100%. Except the person posting in all caps at 6:38 AM should not get confused with the CAPs known and gloved by regulars here. It is someone pretending to be CAPs.
The person ranting in caps here is the same person typing in all lower case with the hard returns.
This is not "real caps" who posts crazy misspelled stories.
Garodnick should have kept quiet regarding an MCI. He handed CW a gift.
"Garodnick should have kept quiet regarding an MCI. He handed CW a gift."
True. You would think that as a lawyer, he would know better!
It's the same 3-4 people posting on this thread. Minus the caps, lowercase and hard returns, the sentence structure and conversation points are nearly identical.
I think the person who used all caps is yelling. I don't see anyone named gloved - what did they say? And what is a hard return? And Who cares who is saying it. Someone is analyzing this thread and studying it way too hard. Paranoid much!
What matters is what is said. I agree with STR on the plumbing quote. So whoever is arguing that - you lost the argument every time you have tried to kill this thread on it.
I don't see the conspiracy theorist. But the dispeller of the thread is awfully paranoid and wants to kill the thread and keeps trying and trying and insulting anyone who speaks. Wow I use the word AND all the time - I am the AND so I must be the conspiracy theorist. There is an ounce or a ton of truth in the THREAD that scares someone. We hit a nerve with the THREAD KILLER.
>"In the event the plumbing system that services ST/PCV is in need of major repairs or upgrades, Garodnick said an MCI could be the way to deal with that, 'although nobody's ever enthusiastic about an MCI.'"<
Please provide a link to the T&V article that this quote is supposed to come from. A little context might be nice before stringing Dan G up.
Observe which side resorts to the most vociferous name-calling and you are likely to have identified the side with the weaker argument and they know it.
Charles R. Anderson
STR
I realize you really dislike Garodnick . While I acknowledge he isn't perfect , neither am I or , I am sure, you.
But to write that Dan "handed" CW a gift re: MCI for plumbing is simply absurd. First of all, you don't think CW has figured out that plumbing is a huge potential MCI? The primary reason they haven't started that work yet, IMO, is that plumbing work would be a major undertaking involving years of work and I doubt CW will own STPCV that long.Second, Dan has ZERO control over MCIs and the law relating to them. Talk to our esteemed state reps , who in the "grand " tradition of our former State Senator Tom Duane, talk a great talk about tenants' rights and NEVER get anything passed that actually benefits tenants.
>>Please provide a link to the T&V article that this quote is supposed to come from.<<
I have extracts from that article, accurately reported, from 2010:
http://stuytownreport.blogspot.com/2010/11/dan-garodnick-okay-with-hefty-mci.html
I look upon it as a gift, since CW (or any future landlord) knows it can use Garodnick's words as further ammunition to justify such an MCI increase. "Even your own councilman reasoned that an MCI would probably be needed in this situation."
Of course CW doesn't need Dan's graciousness to apply for and get an MCI increase.
Anon at 4:03PM
Spot on. I know I have won a debate when the other side starts engaging in ad hominem attacks. Happens all too often.
On a more positive note, I live in one of the affected buildings and I'm able to sleep with my windows open for the first time in years. The area where they're building is one of the few that isn't fenced off. It has become the de facto dog toilet/dog run. Dog owners would always let their animals shit and piss there and then let them off leash to run around and play with other dogs. They can no longer do that. I just have to hope that the construction takes 7 years because that's how long it's going to take before I can make it out of this project.
Whether or not you agree with the comments. The Town & Village articles on the management offices and on the plumbing MCI are very telling with great clarity.
Then again maybe I am the "barely lucid conspiracy theorist" :)
I don't understand all this unnecessary hand wringing about building out a management office behind 274/76/78. The management office has been located in at least 3 different locations around Stuyvesant Town, twice in the lower levels of occupied buildings, and (if memory serves me) once in the space where Associated is currently located. When last in 281 Ave C, all those management employees worked side by side with the tenants of those Ave C buildings between 18th & 20th, and then it was located on 14th just west of Ave C, also in the lower level of buildings, so I see absolutely NO difference in locating it in the 1st Ave Loop, save for some increased golf cart traffic, which tenants should object to.
That would be masterful if this were 3 - 4 people but I find that highly unbelievable. Are you the barely lucid conspiracy theorist January 13, 2014 at 3:47 PM?
I want to hear more from the guy with the DOB links. Are you still there?
Yours truly
THE BARELY LUCID CONSPIRACY THEORIST WANNABE
Again.
Nobody appears to have mentioned Stuy - PCV internal Steam System. This complex does not have any furnaces / boilers.
Heat and Hot Water are provided from the Con Edison Steam System. ST / PCV internal steam system has never been upgraded or for that matter had an engineering evaluation since it was built (1947).
This system is in serious need of upgrade and I can assure you....it will literally cost millions. Absent a thorough engineering evaluation of the plumbing INCLUDING THE INTERNAL STEAM SYSTEM, you would have to be nuts to consider buying.
Same Same Same More of the Same "I'm not okay with a hefty MCI to resolve the plumbing problems, considering that I have lived over twenty years with intermittent brown sludge running out of my hot water taps for up to three hours at a time.
So far, as rent stabilized tenants,
we have paid for new windows,
new roofs,
pointing of the outside bricks, new elevators,
new outside doors,
and upgrading electricity in our apartments if we chose not to swelter in the heat.
Did we pay for the new and improved security system with the key cards and
the new and improved washers and dryers?
I can't remember.
MCI laws need to be revised. Expecting tenants to pay in perpetuity for building maintenance is ridiculous.
In addition, expecting rent stabilized tenants who do not want to buy to foot the bill through another MCI increase to replace or upgrade the plumbing for the new owners is ridiculous - and greedy. Want to buy?
Know what you are buying.
Make sure you'll be able to afford increased maintenance costs to keep the buildings in good repair, increased taxes, and absorb the financial obligations of those owners who default."
WHAT THE HEEL IS WRIONG WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD I ALREADY TOLD YOU MONSTER MACARTHUR IS BUILDING A CREATMMATORUIUM TO MARCH US ELDERLY RENT STABILIZED TENANTS INTO DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE ABY BETTER IF THERE ARE BRANDD NEW GAS PIPES AS OPPISED TO THE OLD GAS PIPES? THINK AGAAIN IF THEY PPUT THE NEW MANAGENEMTN OFICE THERE IT WILL BE EVERN BETTER FOR US BECAUSE WHEN WE RUN FROM THE BUILDING SCREAMING BECAUSE THEY FAILED TO CASH OUR RENT CHECKS AGAIN OR THEY SENT US ANOTHER FAKE EVICTION NOTICE AGAIN OR SENT ANOTHER STRAGER INTO OUR APARTMENTS TO INSPECT OUR HOMES AGAIN OR TURNED OFF OUR HEAT AGAIN OR LET A LUNATIC WITH AN ICE PICK CHASE US A ROUND THE OVAL OR SCRATCHING FROM A FRESH BATCH OF BED BUGS OR BOT PUBLIC LICE FROM THE SHANTY TOWN IN THE LAUNDRY ROOMS OR WAS HEXED BY THE COVEN OF WITCHES OR BURNED BY THE EXPLODING METH LAB OR SLIPPED AND FELL ON A FRESH LOAD OF DOG BROWN OR COLLEGE KID SEMEN OR PUKE ALL THE BETTER BECAUSE W WE CAN RUN RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE LEASING OFFICE AND TELL THE NEW BATCH OF SUCKERS NOT TO MOVE INTO THIS DORMATORY CRIME RAMPANT HELL HOLE AND WHENN THEY ASK WHY WE ARE PULLING OUR HAIR OUT AND SOBBING LIKE A MAD PERSON WE CAN GTAKE THEM ON OUR OWN TOUER OF THE PROPERTY AND SHOW THEM ANDRREEW MACARTHURS GREATEST HITS: AND OVER HERE IS WHERE MY ELDERLY NEIGHBORHOD WAS MUGGED IN HIS HALLWAY AND OVER HERE IS WHERE SOMEONE JUMPED OFF THE ROOF, THEY DONT REPORT THOSE YOU KNOW, AND OVER HERE IS WHERE A YOUNG WOEMIN WAS SEXUALLY ASUALTED IN THE BUSHES BUT SHE DIDNT REPORT IT BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHEN YOUR CALL PUBLUC MAYBE THEY MAY OR MAY NOT COME SO WHY BOTHER WASTING THE ;AST OF YOUR BREATH SAYING I NEED HELP
I'm amazed that so many people STILL believe that we will be buying this place!
Re: Steam System, more disinformation. All the steam plumbing in the basements of ST was replaced when they upgraded the system with temperature sensors installed in the apartments. Con Ed has been maintaining the steam mains on 20th st and ave C pretty regularly. Much of lower Manhattan south of the E30's gets steam service from ConEd. Stop the Chicken Little'ing !
It sounds to me like you're ranting about stuff you have absolutely zero information about, and haven't lived here a very long time... or you'd know about these things.
ROFLMFAO I love you CAPS!
"Public Maybe" lol
The space that Associated now occupies used to be the personal/accounting offices for Beth Israel Hospital. It was never PCVST management offices.
"Just found out that when a landlord applies for an MCI is the time to start push back."
Which is exactly what the TA did. For those not up on this situation, back in 2009, when all the MCIs were originally filed, the TA asked tenants to file for 60-day extensions (I have my copy of the requests) and coordinated filing them with DHCR. Later, when the Roberts case got going, the MCIs were held up (I'm not sure who gets the credit for negotiating that).
DHCR has not given final approval of the MCIs yet, but in an unusual move they have allowed CW to start collecting the permanent (prospective) part of the increases but not the retroactive portion (the maximum that can be charged--permanent plus retroactive--is 6% of what the rent was in 2009 when the MCIs were filed).
If DHCR decides to approve the MCIs, we will be able to file PARs (Petition for Administrative Review). That's the process.
The Tenants Association is throwing serious SHADE!!!!!!!!!!
Great thread! Explains a lot and I want my Tenants Association dues refunded!
Why is the Tenant's Association inviting tenants to meetings run by CW and their Construction company then pushing their agenda in the press about how great the construction is when Tenants who attended the meeting opposed it and offered a better solution on 14th street? To the guy who slipped the invitation under his neighbors doors you did trick them but you redeemed yourself in the meeting with the 14th street security office idea. The Tenants Association tricked you into inviting your neighbors to a rehearsed CW Andrew Cain and STV Vice President Construction company meeting.
SHADY SHADY SHADY SHADY SHADY
http://town-village.com/2013/10/18/cw-talks-plans-for-new-management-office/
I'm reading nothing that suggests that the TA is in cahoots with CW. Sorry, but I think such a suggestion is absurd. It's obvious that the TA would want to facilitate meetings between CW and tenants, so that some transparency can exist. Was the meeting with ex-property manager Sean Sullivan not worth it? It revealed much to tenants, and management had to slink off with its tail between its corporate legs.
I'm still paying my dues and still supporting, overall, the TA. My only concern is that the leadership of the TA is too fixated on tenant ownership of the property and may be disregarding legal challenges on several items because it doesn't want another lengthy Roberts-like affair that would place such ownership in a time limbo.
Its now clear they should have put the management office at the space on 14th street next to a garage for all their little cars they run us over on our sidewalks and not spending all this money tearing down our open space and trees to construct this management office building. Completely wasteful bad business decision that will bury STPCV into the ground financially.
CW loves Dan Garodnick
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2010/01/27/stuyvesant-town-special-servicer-cwcaptial-heaps-praise-on-city-council-member-dan-garodnick/
http://observer.com/2010/01/stuy-town-servicer-wants-fair-and-just-outcome-praises-garodnick/
The person who said they aren't removing the cobblestones lied. They are tearing them out now as we speak. Someone on this thread has an agenda to hide the actual construction plans from tenants. The plans must match the work or its a violation. Whoever said they aren't tearing out the cobblestones just got caught in their big fat lie again!
STR
I do agree with you that the TA is overly fixated on buying this place and does little to try to alleviate any of the numerous quality of life issues in STPCV
Strength is not in the number of followers. Its in the number of great acts and victories. If you are victorious in your battles including the mci fight then your followers will happen. If you lose or don't fight at all your followers dissipate. STR's concern these leaders won't fight because its avoiding a battle like Robert's is a justified concern. This tenants Association says it can only do things if it is great in numbers does not hold true. Any 1 person can be great. Acquiescing to the battles in the hope of a surrender at the end of CW tenure to a tenant purchase is insane. I'd rather a strong Tenant's Association that is revered and feared - that fights and wins every battle or at least tries. This is why CW walks all over us and is destroying our property. The Tenants Association lets them.
Some random thoughts:
1) I am amazed that some people STILL believe that they will be able to buy this place. Ain't gonna happen.
2) Guaranteed the Oval will be COMPLETELY despoiled and defiled in the next few years. ALL the buildings on the Oval will have the same strip mall look like the Oval Cafe, Oval Study...a 7-11 perhaps? "For tenants and their guests only"...haha...what a joke.
3) Danny Boy Garodnick is totally in the pocket of the real estate interests. He is worthless. Bring back Bella Abzug ( if any of you are old enough to remember ). At least she had a pair of balls.
4) All Caps may have expressed it crudely but CW Capital would march all the old rent-stabilized tenants to the crematorium if they could get it. And they probably would seek an MCI for the Zyklon B gas.
5) Vicious, worthlesss, avaricious, money-grubbing ghouls beginning with Tishman-Speyer and continuing to the plunderes running this joint now.
"Why is the Tenant's Association inviting tenants to meetings run by CW"
If you have a better idea for being able to get to talk to those monsters face-to-face, please share it. Anyone who bothered to show up to that meeting had the opportunity to speak up publicly, not just rant online. Wouldn't it have been amazing if every tenant had showed up to overwhelm CW?
The TA and Dan Garodnick will never get their hands on ST. Several tenants have already filed complaints with the Attorney Generals office regarding the whole shady affair. If and when Brookfield places a bid those complaints become full fledged lawsuits holding up any chance of Brookfield getting their bid in on time. Unless the seller wants to wait years for the legal issues to drag out, which I seriously doubt.
I'm still paying my dues and still supporting, overall, the TA.
The TA and Garodnick and his lawyers have been illegally going behind tenants backs for years. Take the whole Brookfield deal as a perfect example. Did the TA consult with tenants BEFORE they made this deal on our behalf? No, they didn't. I agree with the person in T&V calling for an audit. No proof or do you just not want to see it.
>>I do agree with you that the TA is overly fixated on buying this place and does little to try to alleviate any of the numerous quality of life issues in STPCV<<
You're putting words in my mouth with the latter part of your statement. The TA does what it can to help the quality of life issues here.
@ January 14, 2014 at 9:32 AM
Who said "they aren't removing the cobblestones?" As far as I can see, I am the only person besides you on this thread mentioning "cobblestones" anywhere.
If you reread my "cobblestones" comment (posted January 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM), you will see that I said nothing about cobblestones being removed. I used the cobblestones as an easy reference point, just as the CW reps at the meeting used them, and I quote: "The mgmt office roof with skylights and exit will extend back from between 274/276 to where the Belgian cobblestones are now. At the time, reps were not sure of the office would extend straight back in a straight line or form a "T" where 274/276 ended. The walkway nearer to the playground will remain, while the walkway on the other side of the cobblestones, the one nearer 274/276 is obviously gone."
If it is my post you are referencing, I'd appreciate an apology for the insults and accusations you threw at me in your post.
10:27 AM: You said it all and you are spot on!
STR
What I intended by what I previously wrote was that I believe the TA has accomplished virtually nothing to alleviate quality of life issues in STPCV while being fixated on buying the property which I believe is an extreme long shot, at best.
The comment about "several tenants" filing a complaint with the AG to hold up a TA/Brookfield bid long enough to kill "any chance of Brookfield getting their bid in on time" reveals that at least one poster here really does have an agenda.
I support DG and the TAs bid to buy 100 per cent, as do all my neighbors. They have a PLAN, and, btw, kvetching incessantly is not a plan.
ALL OF TUS CONSTRUCTION WHO KNOWS WHAT TYPE OF CON TAGEONS THEY WILL UNEARTH FROM THE DEPTHS OF THE GAS GOUSE DISTRICT THAT ONECE STOOD WHERE STUY DUMP STAMDS AS IT IS THE CONTRUCTION IN THE OVAL UNEARTHED A PIT OF WATER MOCASINS TAT ATTAVJCKED ME LAST NIGHT WHEM I WAS WALKING BYTHE OVAL FOUNTATIN I THOUGHT I HEARD SONETHING IN THE BUSHES AND THOUGHT IT WAS A STRAY CAT NEED HELP AND A BALL OF SNAKES LUNGED OUT OF THE BUSHES AT MEE HISSING AND SNAPPING AND I ACREAMED AND RAN AWAY ONLY I. STUY TOWN IN THE DEAD OF WONYET DIES ONE HAVE TO BE FEARFIL OF WATER MOCAFSSIN ATTACKS!
The comment about "several tenants" filing a complaint with the AG to hold up a TA/Brookfield bid long enough to kill "any chance of Brookfield getting their bid in on time" reveals that at least one poster here really does have an agenda.
DUH!!! To save what is left of the place and affordable housing!
Take a look at the 2 reviews on Yelp regarding Stuytown posted 1/14 by Michael W. and Steph D.
If these two glowing reviews aren't shills for management then I have a freakin' bridge for sale!
Are they that desperate to try to skew the Yelp ratings higher???
Look at all the really bad reviews on Yelp. Scary. Does everyone here post there?
"If these two glowing reviews aren't shills for management then I have a freakin' bridge for sale!"
Check out Brand.com. Maybe they use that to counter the bad reviews.
Regarding those Yelp reviews,for those patently ridiculous, planted positive ones, I post “Funny” since once cannot post “Not Useful”. Also, go to the second page of the recommended Yelp reviews, go to the bottom, and click on the “reviews that are not currently recommend” link for some true, horror show, one star, reviews.
The posts can be removed from Yelp? How so? Then it's totally not credible and no one should use the site.
someone really thinks that the "several tenants" filing a complaint with the AG to hold up a TA/Brookfield bid long enough to kill "any chance of Brookfield getting their bid in on time" is about saving what's left of affordable housing in ST-PCV?
Lol, it's more likely they're the attorneys in ST either pushing some plan of their own or Guterman's.
Been trying to work from home. Once again, the kids above are running back and forth, back and forth, non stop for past 2 hours.
What does one do (new tenants moved in I guess)? Management does not help us. Have called PS twice in one week.
Isn't it interesting how the 2 glowing reviews of Stuytown on Yelp which I referenced yesterday are now gone!
Hmmmmmmmm.....could those management shills be reading this blog????
Note to shills: if you're going to write phony positive reviews on Yelp regarding Stuytown make it more realistic and not so 'glowing'. Idiots!!!
I love how when someone doesn't agree with someone else's viewpoint on this website the other person is considered a "shill". LOL. In fact, there are more "shills" for the Tenants Association and Dan Garodnick on here then any other type of "shill".
"LOL". Well, I guess we know who this troll is. BTW, the posts regarding "shills" was laughter of the planted postive ST Yelp reviews. Trying to connect the dots with the TA and DG with those posts makes no sense. I guess you think that CWC/CR are great. Why even post at this blog?
Regarding comment by January 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM:
The shills I was referring to was not on this blog but on Yelp. Maybe you should read carefully before posting. Then again YOU might be a shill for management!
Apparently, not all reviews get posted on Yelp. They decide what to post, or not.
hmmmmmmm Not credible then, imho. What is, what is?
Does anyone complain to BBB about the practices and abuses ?
10:10 love the way you embrace your shillness!
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I'll have a bagel with a dog schmear please.
Has anyone ever wrote or asked in person other tenants to cut out the noise, calm it down?
I'd really like advice here. Please post if it's ok , somewhere . Thank you all .
Do not ever contact your noisy neighbors. Management will get very pissed off at you and they could come after you legally for harassing your neighbors. Remember, no matter what you pay, they want to churn your apartment. Your options, keep calling PS, over and over again, keep records, use the 311 web site already provided by STR. Here it is again:
http://www1.nyc.gov/311/
There has been a post here on another tread about going to small claims court by suing the neighbor(s) for damages but I assume, as has been posted by that person, that your claim had better be well documented and especially grievous.
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Into the STR CW Hall of Shame On top of the Oval Park Massacre where healthy tress were cut down - The First Ave Loop Massacre - This morning construction workers cut down over 25 healthy trees including
a 9-story Oak tree,
2 7-story trees,
2 4-story (dogwood or magnolia blossom trees)
14 25ft new trees, and several others
Or as the Tenants Association put it
"Steinberg added that management conceded some trees will have to come down in order to extend the back part of the building."
"Some trees"
Gee Susan what's a few more trees when you've already removed hundreds?!
The first ave loop is massacred. Tree trunks and limbs are strewn all over the ground.
A strip mall is now where once a Park thrived.
Now they are removing all the healthy trees from toddler playground 8 with the train - about 10 trees.
Shame on you.
OMG! You saw the snakes too? I was going up the stairs, afraid to ride the elevators, a.k., "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride". I stopped, wheezing and gasping for breath, searching in my purse (which doubles as a tent in emergencies) for my inhaler. I got the sensation of being watched and began to hear what I assumed was the hissing of more heat. When I slowly turned, I saw about forty pairs of close-set beady eyes staring at me, forked tongues flicking, just waiting for the chance to spew poisonous venom! WTF kind of place IS this? Dogs draggin' ass down the hall, kids scraping mold off the walls to add flavor to their friggin' almond or whatever milk. Let me see someone get just one drop from milking a damn almond! I'd settle for seeing it's little almond teat! I digress. With my last breath, I crawled up them stairs double time like Regan in the crab version of the Exorcist, slammed the door and moved all the bureau's and armoire's and bidet's against the door! I sat on the floor and yelled "shoo, shoo"! at the top of my old leathery lungs and you can bet them bitches skeedaddled. I had to open a new box of Zinfandel, find my crazy straw and try to recover!
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