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Management has two priorities: 1) Making sure money is made, hence upgrading and filling up apartments is their goal. "Amenities" are important in selling the place, though few residents use them. 2) If someone needs medical attention, Public Safety will be there, if alerted.

Quality of life issues are not that important, however. Things like the carpet rule or outsider dogs. These "rules" tend to be ignored, on purpose it seems. So you will see a lot that isn't taken care of properly, and complaints will be met with a creative excuse and a smile.

"Peace and quiet" must be a cruel joke, though this property is sold that way. There can be no peace and quiet as ALL apartments must be upgraded, which includes the installation of an AC unit below the window. Aside from the continual construction about the neighborhood, there is a new and noisy subway extension being built along East 14 st and the shut down of the L line. "Choosing" to live in NYC, now the newest mantra, is a fabrication when the talk is of ST and PCV, which was traditionally quiet, with no construction noise.

Though money was always important, it is now more important than ever. Money rules many things, as you will find.

At this point, 30 years into living here and seeing many things, I can state that Management and their reps are BS-ing us. I can't say that loudly enough: We are being BS-ed. I don't see any genuine change, though the "selling" of this place is intense. Few of the "rules" will be enforced, as Management doesn't want to lose customers or potential customers. Where personal integrity is a hallmark of an excellent management style, this integrity is not seen in enforcing some of the rules.

Our Tenants Association is, basically, null and void. Oh, it is still around, but it lacks the will power to confront much of anything. The TA will ask for your dues, however. By now, the TA is a charade.

About those "club cars" we see going this way and that way, and outside of Stuy Town or Peter Cooper Village:

Thursday, January 8, 2015

Approved by the DOB the other day

Maybe it is time to move from NYC.


Anonymous said...

One of these is going up on 22nd Street just west of Park. It's replacing a cute building that used to house an Italian restaurant.

Anonymous said...

It is so juvenile. The few cities in this height race are laughed at by cities with real class and superior architecture.

Anonymous said...

Oh that is awful. An embarrassment. The city should protect the distinguished park and the unique classic character of the skyline and buildings around the park instead of playing "me too" with Dubai. NYC is no longer #1 or an original when we are copy cats of Dubai.

Anonymous said...

That is hideous!

Anonymous said...

Good threads.

On this post, we are becoming a generic skyline.

On earlier comments, yes you can challenge your rent going back more than 4 years and should especially here with the transient population who is not setting roots so they do not challenge the rent increase calculations deregulating the apartments.
There is definitely fraud in Peter Cooper village Stuyvesant Town.

On the warm wishes post, Happy New Year STR. You are the best source for all things Peter Cooper Village Stuyvesant Town.

Anonymous said...

Businesses are leaving. Normal humans are leaving. Students and foreigners keep coming.

Anonymous said...

As of Bloomberg, zoning laws mean nothing. Every now and then a monstrosity shoots up twice as tall as surrounding buildings. It's all about the money.

Anonymous said...

That thing doesn't even look like a building. It looks like an oversized light pole. It also doesn't look like it would withstand high winds.

Anonymous said...

I just found out from people who moved in 2 years ago when they signed up, CR never explained to them difference between market rate rents and legal rents. This is really quite deceptive. I know their unit has been turned over at least twice. Have no idea of the churn before I moved in 20 years ago. Anyone like these folks really needs to find out if they're at risk. The people I spoke to had no idea whatsoever what the terms legal and market rate rents refer to.

Anonymous said...

What is that ? The Shove It Up Your Ass Towers ??

Anonymous said...

I think our so-called DOB and the "architects" it approves are just begging for another terror attack. These ugly and weird-looking buildings are such eye-sores and almost have a bull's eye on them.

We have such irresponsible and ruthless idiots running this once-great city. They are destroyers of life and so tasteless as to be obscene. At least in the "Gilded Age" of stark polarization of rich and poor there was some good taste and practicality at work! Buildings constructed then are still standing and speak volumes of the majesty of this city. At least the majesty that this city used to have before Bloomturd, Garodnick, DeBozio, et al.

Anonymous said...

Looking for a property manager. Anyone interested? I am sure you are more than qualified!

Anonymous said...

The New York Dubai Connection

The New York Dubai Fannie Freddie ENSec construction developer kickback puppetmasters

Ominous headline in more ways than one ... Moreland ..... investigating himself again.

New York is a copycat of Dubai. Nothing original here in this skyscraper from SHoP architects.

New York will never be Dubai but it will completely lose what is unique to New York City while it tries to be Dubai.

Anonymous said...

Just what has REBNY Steve Spinola already bought and paid for with their $2million + bribes? A bus ride will not change that especially when our politicians are partying at the REBNY fundraiser helping REBNY pay the politicians to screw Tenants.

Real slap in the face of Tenants everywhere when Marsh and Steinberg PCVST Tenant Association hired REBNY member lawyer for their conversion evicting tenants to move in new stabilizer condo owners.

Real slap in the face.

Anonymous said...

Assemblyman Keith Wright is fighting for Riverton against Andrew Macarthur Compass Rock illegal overcharges and Keith is fighting for Tenants in Albany.

So is Mike McKee, the longtime treasurer of the Tenants PAC.

The Peter Cooper Village Stuyvesant Town Tenant Association is fighting against Tenants and for luxury condo owners. Peter Cooper Village Stuyvesant Town Tenant Association should have NEVER hired REBNY member attorney Meredit Kane. They should have stepped down, called themselves the buyer's association and allowed a real Tenant's Rights group to protect the residents of this community.

Do we even have an Assemblyman and why aren't they doing their job representing the constituents here?

Anonymous said...

Think before you buy. Manhattan prices are cooling - flipping in Manhattan won't yield what we thought.

Anonymous said...




"Daniel M. Kindbergh, Senior Vice President, Operations, U.S. Office Division, Brookfield Property Partners, will receive the George M. Brooker Management Executive of the Year Award, which is awarded to individuals of super accomplishment in the commercial management industry based on outstanding professionalism, civic achievement, and contributions to the real estate industry."

Anonymous said...

9:12 am: I hope you are joking! The way I would like to "honor" these bozos would be in a manner that STR would refuse to print! It would also be very painful!

Anonymous said...

peter cooper and it really pisses me off how parents let the kids run across the apartment , bouncing balls, chasing animals, throwing themselves on the floors. DO YOU IDIOTS KNOW OR CARE THAT decent people live under and next to you? Fucking losers - act appropriate or do we just call security daily?

Anonymous said...

9:05 cooling ---no way. They will never cool.

Anonymous said...

The terms to know are "preferential rent" and "legal rent." A preferential rent is lower than the legal rent, but the lease should say what both amounts are. Many newer tenants are paying preferential rents, which are most likely good only for the term of the lease. When their leases come up for renewal, the RGB increase and any MCIs are added on to the legal rent. Management can choose to set the rent at any amount up to the full legal rent, which can be hundreds of dollars higher than the preferential rent. Many newer tenants aren't familiar with the terms of their leases or the ins and outs of the situation, so they're taken by surprise when management jacks up the rent on renewal. In recent years, lots of landlords offered deals, e.g., 13 months for the price of 12, free amenities. But there's no guarantee that you'll get the same deal on renewal.

Anonymous said...

For those still asking for the form:

119th Annual Banquet
January 15, 2015,
New York Hilton

REBNY is honoring Stuyvesant Town Peter Cooper Village's partner Brookfield. Come show your appreciation for all Brookfield has done for the -- PETER COOPER VILLAGE STUYVESANT TOWN NEW STABILIZERS COMMUNITY CONVERSION.

New Stabilizers grab your fellow market rate neighbors and fill a table. Let's party the night away toasting to ownership!

Enclosed is my payment of $___________________ to reserve ________ place(s) at $1,100 per person for
the The Real Estate Board of New York’s One Hundred Nineteenth Annual Banquet. The Banquet will be
held at 7:00 pm to 10:00 pm on Thursday, January 15, 2015 at the New York Hilton, 1133 Avenue of the Americas, NYC
Contact: Marta Posner

Formal Attire Tip
Most men wear tuxedos
Most people wear black
Most women wear dresses
A few wear jacket/ties, colors, & pant suits

New Stabilizer, soon-to-be-owners, first-timers to the gala:
Since 1897 the Gala is the real estate most celebrated event -- traditionally a Networking Event, Fundraising Gala, Awards Ceremony with real estate players having cocktails, dinner, facetime with some of the city and state’s top Elected Officials.

Come welcome our new President, John Banks.

John was Vice President of Government Relations lobbyist for Consolidated Edison.

John served on Mayor Bill de Blasio’s Transition Committee in 2013.

Anonymous said...

8:54 AM First of all, who calls the TA the The Peter Cooper Village Stuyvesant Town Tenant Association? Do you even live here? Or are you agitating on behalf of someone (Guterman?) or some other interested RE entity? And by the way, yes, Mike McKee is THE long time tenants right activist in NY. He is also a long time friend and adviser to the STPCV TA and well-known to anyone who regularly attends the big TA meetings.

Anonymous said...

What's In A Name

The "Rent Stabilization Association" is
the City’s largest landlord lobby to get rid of rent stabilization and they pay-off / bribe the DHCR too.
Protecting the interests of property owners is RSA's #1 priority and our organization always has a seat at the table. Lobbying for changes in the laws and regulations that affect your bottom line are of the highest priority to RSA. Our lobbying efforts span across every agency and facet of New York State and City government. From the State legislature in Albany, to the DHCR office in Queens, to the New York City Council, RSA is there to advocate and protect the interests of property owners."

The "Peter Cooper Village Stuyvesant Town Tenant Association" is credited with the biggest OWNERS TO REPLACE TENANTS anti-tenant Movement.

The "Affordable Housing" program is the creator of a Tale of Two Cities with 80% housing for the wealthy and 20% for the poor with zero Middle Class housing.
And rightfully as a commentator earlier mentioned, that is a NYC with 80% of housing for 1% of the population.

Last but not least

"Tenant bid" is really a Brookfield bid.

Anonymous said...

All this "inside baseball" conspiracy theorizing is senseless. What is clear is that a sale is looming and a conversion of some sort is inevitable. Hiding your head in the sand and not engaging for the best possible outcome is stupid.

Anonymous said...

Some Sunday Good News

Now that's how you do it

East Harlem housing complex will remain affordable for residents
Hope Community, with help from Carthage Real Estate Advisors, has secured a $40 million recapitalization of the 147-unit Canaan House on W. 118th St.

Anonymous said...

Is it true the City Council threaten and bribe each other with slush funds to get their way instead of assessing the issue at vote?

Is that Constitutional?

Anonymous said...

To the guy who asked about our matter. Here is information for you to follow if you are really a market rate tenants looking to get some of your money back and not a troll.

"The Rent Code Amendments of 2014 (RCA 2014), require an owner to provide the first tenant of an apartment deregulated pursuant to High-Rent Vacancy with
a notice (HRVD-N) created by DHCR, that details
the last legal regulated rent,

the reason for deregulation

and calculations of the rent qualifying for deregulation.

The notice must also contain a statement that the last legal regulated rent or maximum rent may be verified by contacting DHCR.

The notice must be sent by certified mail within 30 days after the tenancy commences or after the signing of the lease by both parties, whichever occurs first, or shall be delivered to the tenant at the signing of the lease.
In addition, the owner is required to file a registration statment for the subject apartment with DHCR. The registration must indicate that the apartment is deregulated and the last legal regulated rent.

It must be served on the first tenant of an apartment deregulated pursuant to High-Rent Vacancy within 30 days after the tenancy commences or the filing of such registration, whichever occurs later.

They do make it very complicated for tenants and very easy for landlords. Landlords also have organizations teaching them how to do all of this like REBNY, RSA, and so on.

The TA is supposed to be doing the same for tenants but the PCV ST TA is acting more like a 411 operator giving you links that you could find on your own. they are trying to slow down tenants so I would just bypass the TA and do it for yourself. Its not all that hard. We can't do it for you. You have to do it for yourself.

Anonymous said...

8:20 PM I agree.

Anonymous said...

Fighting MCIs has to be our cause.

There are plenty of mechanisms in place what would allow us to fight MCIs and illegal/questionable renovations.

Here's how it's supposed to work. Any responsible TA would organize a massive effort to submit complaints against MCIs and questionable renovations. Inevitably there would bureaucratic inertia that needs to be overcome. Every filer who does not receive a response or does not get action against a case number would inform their councilman and for each of these, the councilman would issue an inquiry and brings heat on any bureaucrat who doesn't respond.

So why isn't this happening here?

You know part of our political influence here used to be the old Jefferson Democratic Club. With that club gone our influence is diminished. I will look into joining the Grammery-Stuyvesant Independent Democrats.

Anonymous said...

That's what the Oval will look like in 20 years.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>What is clear is that a sale is looming and a conversion of some sort is inevitable.<<

What conversion? Is this dream STILL alive?

Anonymous said...

@January 11, 2015 at 7:42 AM
"Or are you agitating on behalf of someone (Guterman?) or some other interested RE entity?"

Obviously the Garodnick-TA trolls and their P.R. lobbyists are still afraid of Guterman.

They should be much more afraid CWC will propose an affordable coop conversion offering tenants a real choice: Purchasing our homes at a price level most of us can actually afford or renting because it makes economic sense and we choose to, not because we prefer ownership, but can't afford an expensive Brookfield condo.

Anonymous said...

What is clear is politicians are using their office for real estate deals instead of serving the people even "working tirelessly" on the purchase by evicting people from their homes with illegal overcharges.

East and West Village alike.

The entire Quinn New York City Council kicked out the West Village constituents and let back in only the business dealers for NYU on the session vote for their real estate grab.

The New York City Council needs to clean house with indictments and prison sentences just as much as Albany.

That much is clear.

Anonymous said...

I too got no reply from the div of housing. Filed and mailed in they have they say a 'record ' of my filing but its still being processed. that's a year almost. ???

Anonymous said...

9 01 Huh? Yes we get that. Got the facts on last rent - thousands lower than ours, yours. And then what?

They NEED TO BE DOING AN AUDIT ON HOW THE RENT GETS FROM HERE TO THERE. YOU CANNOT just say, oh Mr Jack died or moved out at $550.00 and now we charge $4500. Why, where are the receipts , a kitchen did not cost 40 million dollars.... OK?

Anonymous said...

5:07 Exactly right. The NYC parks are under assault and will choke and die off from blocked sun and trapped air pollution, from the Oval to Central Park to every park in all 5 boroughs.

Anonymous said...

What's the TA doing? No news, no reports, no emails. Guess I'll stop sending money too. Can we form a new TA as this is bs now.

Anonymous said...

According to the Garodnick update at the last TA meeting, CW has up to 3 more years to sell with the possibility of a 3 year extension. And that's for a sale...which may or may not lead to a conversion. So 'a conversion looming?' I don't think so.

Ken from Ken's Kitchen said...

12:00 PM

First. It's been the cause around here since the first MCI was issued in 1984 for a boiler room paint job at $2+ per room. I filed a PAR for that and every single MCI our building has ever gotten and have literally gone door to door trying to get my neighbors to do the same. Most people are too afraid or busy to bother.

Second. I don't recall all the details, but way back when, the TA had the definitive goods on an MCI that involved some kind of landlord collusion with RCN. It may have been for the re-wiring or the windows. Anyway, MCI construction work is supposed to be by the book or they are thrown out. I said "supposed to be." because despite all the evidence about landlord/RCN impropriety, it was approved by the DHCR and it was upheld in court (courts being loathe to go against a state agency).

State MCI law overwhelmingly favors the landlord and it doesn't help that the DHCR was built during the Pataki Administration either. A lot of those Pataki era employees are probably still around and after listening to the TA attorney at the last two meetings, it shows.

BTW, you might want to look into he Samuel J. Tilden Democratic Club, which is the local Democratic Club for our Assembly District, the 74th. It's named after Samuel J. Tilden, the NYC lawyer famous for being a political reformer. It meets at the Seafarers International House on 15th St near Union Square. You'll see a lot of STPCVers there. You may also want to check out TenantsPac. You'll see a lot of ST-PCVers there too.

Anonymous said...

STR at 10:32 PM * You let a lot of crazy through that goes unremarked upon by you. Not sure what's so crazy about the comment you reference. Nobody knows what's gonna happen at this point. Maybe there will be a sale. Maybe not - maybe just a handoff to parent company Fortress. Maybe the warning by RE professionals from a couple of years ago still stands that any sale will have to have some kind of general OK from residents. Maybe not.

Unfortunately your blind hatred of Garodnick and the TA sticks out too much and clouds your judgement. It's why everything I read everything on your site with a lot more than a grain of salt.

Anonymous said...

Not a dream just a dollars and cents reality that any serious investors business model would involve conversion.

Anonymous said...

5:55 AM Just like i thought. This comments board is infested with Guterman worker bees.

Anonymous said...

No need to post comments about who we think or you think is a worker bee or whatever. All are allowed to comment or type on a blog what they think or feel. You're getting annoying now. And I'm not a troll nor a fan of anyone or any camp. Just a fan of free speech. stop . now.

Anonymous said...

9:01 from all I've seen and read Guterman is the only affordable plan for stabilizing the community. I don't know about you but I am sick of paying Market Rate with all its illogical calculations to hold out for what? A $4.7 Billion price tag! That is not what we signed up for. I was and still am tenant bid - the best tenant bid. Form all we have seen that is the Guterman co-op bid. Nothing else stabilizes the community. I hate that term anyway "New Stabilizers". It makes no sense, we stabilize nothing. We are pawns financing their deal and ending up on the short end of the stick.

Anonymous said...

"5:55 AM Just like i thought. This comments board is infested with Guterman worker bees."

And I'm pretty sure that you are one of the CWTA worker bees. Buzz off!

Anonymous said...

@2:48 PM - Did you sign on to Guterman's plan then? Guterman himself said here on this site that only one STPCV apt signed on.

Anonymous said...

>>>>Obviously the Garodnick-TA trolls and their P.R. lobbyists are still afraid of Guterman.

They should be much more afraid CWC will propose an affordable coop conversion offering tenants a real choice...<<<<

What?! That is one seriously odd comment and I'm finding it odd that it's gone completely un-commented on. CWC is gonna offer us shit. If they keep their greasy, grubby hands on STPCV our choices will be to stay in an overpriced under-managed rental dorm or move. And nobody is afraid of Mr Guterman after tenants almost unanimously ignored his proposal. Seroiusly. At the risk of getting flamed a la 2:02 pm -- who's posting stuff like this?

Anonymous said...

Agree with 3:24. Every time a TA supporter comes here, there's no pretense or subtlety. Pretty easy to spot. If just once one of these guys dealt with specifics, they'd have some credibility...but the second you ask them to defend the condo over co-op decision in any detail, they're gone.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

10:22 AM Got it now. Coop people. Guterman people. Condo people. I'm one of those people who have been here for over 25 years and intend to stay around as a renter whatever happens because I can't afford to buy and it wouldn't make sense to take out a mortgage at this point in my life anyway. As far as I'm concerned, YOU can buzz off.

Anonymous said...

I'm with you 11:22 am. I've been here 30 years. Not willing or able to buy.