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Management has two priorities: 1) Making sure money is made, hence upgrading and filling up apartments is their goal. "Amenities" are important in selling the place, though few residents use them. 2) If someone needs medical attention, Public Safety will be there, if alerted.

Quality of life issues are not that important, however. Things like the carpet rule or outsider dogs. These "rules" tend to be ignored, on purpose it seems. So you will see a lot that isn't taken care of properly, and complaints will be met with a creative excuse and a smile.

"Peace and quiet" must be a cruel joke, though this property is sold that way. There can be no peace and quiet as ALL apartments must be upgraded, which includes the installation of an AC unit below the window. Aside from the continual construction about the neighborhood, there is a new and noisy subway extension being built along East 14 st and the shut down of the L line. "Choosing" to live in NYC, now the newest mantra, is a fabrication when the talk is of ST and PCV, which was traditionally quiet, with no construction noise.

Though money was always important, it is now more important than ever. Money rules many things, as you will find.

At this point, 30 years into living here and seeing many things, I can state that Management and their reps are BS-ing us. I can't say that loudly enough: We are being BS-ed. I don't see any genuine change, though the "selling" of this place is intense. Few of the "rules" will be enforced, as Management doesn't want to lose customers or potential customers. Where personal integrity is a hallmark of an excellent management style, this integrity is not seen in enforcing some of the rules.

Our Tenants Association is, basically, null and void. Oh, it is still around, but it lacks the will power to confront much of anything. The TA will ask for your dues, however. By now, the TA is a charade.

About those "club cars" we see going this way and that way, and outside of Stuy Town or Peter Cooper Village:



Thursday, June 14, 2018

Revisiting "For Residents and Their Guests"

While there has been a plus for some the issues confronting residents, there have been others which have remained and seem incapable of being properly addressed or enforced. And some issues have gotten worse. In going through some of the older posts at blog, I see that some of these issues are the same years ago.

This main post will deal with some of these issues....

We kinda laugh at the warning "For Residents and Their Guests," but nowadays even that warning or post (take your pick) is being ignored. Management has no one to go around and check that this notice is up, so either it doesn't care or just doesn't know. (It should have someone going around, period.) It is an amusing notice in a lot of ways, but necessary for this place to be properly zoned. It is missing from, say, Five Stuy Cafe, which should have that notice visible, unless the ruling has been dismissed.

This is a post from November 3rd, 2011:

An ice-skating rink is a pretty big straw, but it seems it has had the effect of mobilizing tenants and making both residents and politicians hyper aware of zoning and the commercialization occurring inside Stuyvesant Town. This week's Town & Village carries a front page article, "Garodnick Questions Legality of Commercial Activity in ST/PCV." Though commercial activities have been happening inside the complex since Tishman Speyer took over as owner and manager, though we've seen the Farmer's Market, Food Trucks, tables for Verizon and Zip Car, charges for the Oval "Essentials," etc, make their way into Stuy Town with some push-back from tenants, this ice-skating rink may just have tipped the balance into getting residents finally fed up with the commercialization inside this property. Or perhaps not. To be seen.

The T & V article carries quotes from councilman Garodnick and management's Adam Rose. Garodnick: "People want to make sure it is legal and I am currently exploring that question. There's a lot of concern over the variety of commercial activities, including the food trucks and now an ice rink and the paid storage facilities." Rose contends that "We believe the minor commercial activity in Stuy town such as food trucks and the ice rink are completely legal, and provide additional amenities and attractions to the vast majority of our residents, especially families." While the legality of commercial activities is yet to be determined by the Department of City Planning (I'm not holding my breath), it has to be stated that the "vast majority" of residents are not using any of the amenities being offered at Stuyvesant Town. We're talking about a resident population of anywhere from 25K to 30K, and certainly you don't even see a tenth of that number using the Oval Essentials, the food trucks, etc, or attending the summer concerts and events, which, at best and on rarer occasions, can draw in a few hundred people.

It can't be stressed enough in these discussions (even T & V skips this point) that these amenities are being used to sell the place to prospective renters, and it must be admitted that some amenities are directed at prospective renters with families, which is a good thing, as we'd like to increase a more stable population rather than the transient student one we see continually growing.

The T & V article reveals more of what Garodnick asked of the Department of City Planning: "Does zoning allow for food trucks to be positioned within the Stuyvesant Town Oval? Management recently announced that they would be installing and opening an ice rink in a Stuyvesant Town Playground. Does the present zoning allow for an ice rink on the property? And if so, would charging for admission or equipment change that?" These are pivotal questions.

Garodnick also stated to T & V that he believes the ice-rink should be complimentary to residents. "An hour a day in a playground that is normally open and free is not a good policy and it will not have a good outcome." Dan must be really hopping mad now, as the updated schedule for free use of the ice-rink allows for just two hours of free use to residents per week, not the previously publicized seven hours per week. (Perhaps I'm wrong, but I smell a slight set-up here, with a "generous" gesture forthcoming that will go back to the one free hour a day schedule.)

A bulging letters column in T & V contains responses from tenants. A couple of tenants are for it, including a familiar voice who calls the rink's detractors "cranky" and "better suited to a gated community in Florida than apartment living in a dense urban environment."

Other letter writers share their concerns, which have also been addressed repeatedly on this blog and Lux's website and Facebook.

The heart-warming surprise comes from an opinion piece by Steven Sanders, who had been our state assemblyman for 28 years. As someone who grew up in Stuy Town, Sanders takes a nostalgic journey in his piece, writing about Playground 10.... "Every kid growing up in Stuy Town or Peter Cooper had 'their' playround and #10 was mine." His article is well worth reading as giving insight into what that playground means and meant. He begins to finish it off this way:

"There are just some places, which are just really special, that corporate America, in such a hurry to make a buck, just does not really get." And: "I may be entirely wrong but I am not sure that there has been an outcry from the residents demanding an ice skating rink which is a very specialized activity that only a relatively few will participate in." Finally:

"When Tishman Speyer bought this community five years ago and over spent literally billions of dollars, they did so in the belief that they could make big changes to our already successful and iconic community that would make it more profitable. In hindsight I am sure they wish that they would have just let well enough alone. So a word to CW Capital and Rose management... 'If it ain't broke don't fix it.'"

From November 8th, 2011:

STATEMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DAN GARODNICK
Re: Commercial Activity in Stuyvesant Town
The Department of City Planning (DCP) has responded to the questions I posed to them about commercial activities in Stuyvesant Town.
With regard to the planned ice skating rink, DCP has advised that, due to “the unusualness of this circumstance,” we should seek the review of the Department of Buildings (DOB), which enforces zoning regulations. My office has already reached out to the DOB for a final word on whether an ice skating rink, for a fee, conforms to the R7-2 zoning regulation applicable in Stuyvesant Town.
Further, I have asked the DOB for a complete review of the construction permits and the work that is actively being performed – including the electrical wires being strung through trees – to ensure that any construction activity is being conducted without risk to residents or workers, and within appropriate hours of the day. We expect the appropriate enforcement of any violations.
I have also asked the Department of Environmental Protection to conduct a test of the sound that will be emitted from various ice machines in order to ensure compliance with the noise code, and to confirm the safety of chemicals that appear to be used in connection with the rink.
With regard to other commercial activities – such as food trucks and greenmarkets – that are not permitted in an R7-2 residential zone, we expect CW Capital/Rose Associates to bring themselves into compliance with the law. I am happy to offer the assistance of my office in helping to relocate the Stuyvesant Town Greenmarket to an area around the property that would be both legal and convenient for the many residents who enjoy making use of it.
Residents who want to know what you can do to expedite enforcement on the ice rink or any other issue are advised to call 311 and to contact my office with your 311 reference number which will be helpful to us in following up. Residents should also feel free to contact my office at (212) 818-0580 with questions or concerns on any of these matters.

58 comments:

Stuy Town Reporter said...

From November 9, 2011: >>The powers that be will try to gain tenant support by rallying around the “Green Market flag,” but it must be remembered that the only way the Green Market can make a comeback in southern grass area of the Oval is if Stuy Town’s zoning is changed. While having the Green Market move to another location, or disappear altogether, may be an inconvenience to some, having the Green Market legally remain where it was situated will mandate a zoning change. The greater picture is that, if such a zoning change becomes successful, commercialization of Stuyvesant Town's open spaces will become legal and the powers that be will have no restraint in introducing newer ways of inserting commercial entities within Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village. Indeed, such a “green light” will surely see more of our open free spaces, which we value greatly, reduced to money and publicity making gimmicks, furthering the aesthetic devaluation of our environment.<<

Anonymous said...

STR, that’s the funny thing about the internet, things never go away! That’s the great thing about what you do, you hold people accountable for things they said and did in the past.

I’d like to see Mr Garodnick speak up on this now. It would never happen. Susan, where are you to fight for the noise???!

Anonymous said...

There is ZERO vetting of who is attending the concerts, the movies, etc. Blackstone should be taken to task on this issue. If it’s not checking IDs and denying access to outsiders, it can NOT rightfully claim that these events are only attended by “residents and their guests”. Which makes them ILLEGAL under our zoning laws.

Anonymous said...

As long as we are revisiting, let's take a look at who and how MetLife threw this community under the bus:

As CIO, Kandarian oversaw the company’s more than $450 billion general account portfolio and led a number of initiatives that strengthened the portfolio and contributed to MetLife’s bottom line. He enhanced the company’s focus on effective risk management and diversified MetLife’s investment portfolio, in part through the $5.4 billion sale of Peter Cooper Village/Stuyvesant Town in 2006. Under Kandarian’s leadership, MetLife identified the housing bubble early and reduced its exposure to sub-prime mortgage-backed securities, raised the overall quality of its corporate credit portfolio, and increased its focus on low loan-to-value commercial and agricultural mortgages. His efforts helped MetLife emerge from the 2008 credit crisis with the financial strength to complete the company’s $16.4 billion purchase of Alico.

https://www.metlife.com/about/corporate-profile/corporate-governance/board-of-directors/index.html

Anonymous said...

This band are great! So glad some of my rent check is paying for such a wonderful evening filled with love and togetherness.

Anonymous said...

Their numbers are dwindling down on these crappy events. The nerve of Hayduk saying that the majority of tenants want this garbage. Numbers don’t lie Hayduk. You’re disturbing Oval residents for these paltry numbers.

Anonymous said...

Security has explained that they don't have enough agents to check ID's. They do not even attempt it.

Anonymous said...

Instead of making a deal to sell Stuyvesant Town Peter Cooper Village to tenant ownership in a co-op conversion Senator Hoylman, Assemblyman Kavanagh, Councilman Garodnick, Mayor deBlasio made a deal with billionaire real estate developers Blackstone and Ivanhoe Cambridge and their investors. Blackstone's latest billion dollar ventures are in Asia.

Kavanagh, Hoylman, Garodnick, deBlasio sold out this community, sold out New York City.

They do not care about noise anymore than they care about our quality of life or our home ownership or about us at all. Economic development is supposed to be about bettering the lives of those who make up the economy. Instead these greedy corrupt politicians harass and push us out to replace with wealthier constituents and call it economic development when the market rate rents and city bottom line gets fatter. That is not how you build an economy. It is how you replace one with a whole other one. That is not economic development it is economic replacement. Any fool can achieve economic replacement. It takes talent, intellect, and ingenuity to better an economy rather than replace it. But the economic development corporations are not talented, intelligent, or geniuses in anyway. They are staff from corrupt administrations under Bloomberg, deBlasio, etc. It is no surprise the committee chair of the economic development corporation was Garodnick. He gets the majority of blame for the demise of this community right up there with Hoylman, Bloomberg, deBlasio and Kavanagh.

The rents from StuyTown are laundered offshore by Blackstone who is now investing billions in Asia. Nice going deBlasio, Hoylman, Kavanagh, Garoddick. Instead of home ownership co-op conversion where we would have owned our homes, continued to raise generations of families while working and spending in the New York City economy - New York City is now dependent on the same as every other city in the world - tourist money for income.

Idiots.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-13/blackstone-to-step-up-buying-in-asia-after-raising-9-4-billion


Anonymous said...

Security has explained that they don't have enough agents to check ID's. They do not even attempt it.

Without being able to verify that only residents and their guests are attending, according to the zoning laws, these events are being held ILLEGALLY. Period.

Anonymous said...

Everything here is illegal. The Airbnb hotels, the dorms, the sublets, and yes the Bloomberg bermuda yacht club docks all here to push out the permanent community. Mike Bloomberg and Bill De Blasio stole the property for Mike Bloomberg's yacht club pals to have a luxury hotel built here with a front yacht dock that Garodnick is too afraid to tell the tenants about so they say it is for commuters. The real assholes gaming the system are the property managers with tenant association board running the airbnbs, dorms, and sublets.

Anonymous said...

More defenders of the noise on the oval! And I think one of the defenders pretty much summed up his involvement in the event - I stopped by for a bit on my walk home.

So for the thousands of people having their livelihood ripped from their house every night of the week, this guy can stop by and enjoy a song on his way home from work. Such selfish thinking.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>Security has explained that they don't have enough agents to check ID's.<<

The solution is simple: Hire more Security guards. Or else have the ones that are around do a better job. Surely, Blackstone can afford the "extra" cost?

And, once again, I was driven out of the Oval this morning. Sitting quietly, I was, when a young woman comes next to me and her dog takes a crap, not five feet away. She has the entire length of the Oval for her dog to take a crap, but, of course, he is KING, so he craps where he want to. Now, there is something known as "human decency" where your dog does not take a crap so close to someone who is sitting quietly, hoping to enjoy the nice morning weather. But, no.

And yesterday.... This was funny, in a sort of way. As I was heading out of Stuy Town, I am in back of a lady with a dog. Of course, the dog does not have that official lanyard. Well, I didn't have to follow her to see that she proceeded to head out of the complex and to wherever she calls home. No PS stopped or "escorted" her and her dog off the property.

I see this every day. No PS to escort many of the dog walkers from outside out of the complex. This is one of the MAJOR lies of Management. There is NO escorting done, there is NO word said by PS. Total BS from Management and PS.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

The question becomes: how do we, the residents, enforce the rule, or any rule. Is Blackstone in charge totally? Even to the point of ignoring their own rule? The evidence clearly states that rules are meant to be ignored. Oh, yes, it is nice if they are obeyed, but if they are not--who cares?

Stuy Town Reporter said...

The issue of "events" around the Oval has been going on for a long time. Check the years that this blog has been active. The only time that the Oval was quiet and peaceful was pre-Tishman Speyer, when it was not considered "a great resource" for making money. After TS and including the managers who followed, the prime objective is to make money and attract new renters. That is the truth.

Anonymous said...


OK, we have the usual and valid anonymous complaints on this thread. Since people usually just follow the new thread, I am copying and pasting my post from the previous thread:


"Excellent post. Keep up the good fight. These Oval antics are ridiculous and most likely illegal per lease regulations."

I am one of the 3 who went to the Powers meeting. So you want others to carry your water? Why don't you respond to quietenjoymentnow@gmail.com and join us. Just posting anonymously at this blog does nothing.

"STAND UP AND FIGHT, I wish you well, but you are fighting a losing battle. The "elected officials" you are appealing to are not going to help us one iota because they are bought and paid for by REBNY. It's like asking the SS to appeal to Hitler to knock it off and let people live without persecution."

This comment plus the usual the TA sucks, if we only had a real TA, all politicians are corrupt, “Alex Jones” who posts his conspiracy crap links, blah, blah, are the majority of the posts at this blog. So sick of the cowards here. If you respond to

quietenjoymentnow@gmail.com

we can begin to build a coalition OUTSIDE of the TA. We could expand that email response to a private Google group where we could name names, explore legal options, etc. If not, just stay home, assume the fetal position and do nothing but bitch on this blog.

BTW, do you know that the TA sucks?

Stuy Town Reporter said...

We need a new TA or one that finally does something instead of sending all complaints to a politician or dear Rick. That said, a new TA needs members and...money. I have almost none to give, as far as money goes, and I think many of us are in the same boat. So that leaves members. The old TA does have members (dwindling, I think), but even with their membership, they don't seem to do much.

I really only have this blog, at least as far as this property is concerned, and a "voice." I will support on this blog any new TA. That's all I can do, I think. I have my own "battles" with the way this place is run, and some of them are the same as the "complaints."

Anonymous said...

The biggest cheerleader of them all stated that the number of 35 was wrong and that he counted about 300. Even if it was 300, I ask you Mr Cheerleader, what percentage is that of 30,000???

Yeah, IT’S 1%!!! So again I ask, are these events worth it for 1% of the total population of this place??

If you say yes, then switch apartments with me
For the rest of the summer.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

I have never seen 300 people at these events. Perhaps I can be convinced that the number was that high on a rare occasion. Otherwise, that number is clearly false. But that is not the prime issue, which is: Are residents guaranteed peace and quiet once they are in Stuy Town?

I see I will have to take more photos at these events. if I can make them.

Anonymous said...

Anyone notice who hasn’t chimed in regarding their plans to help residents dealing with noise?? Yup, Peter Stuyvesant and the TA.

Anonymous said...

Dogs, food,concerts. It is a losing battle when people want a carnival atmosphere here

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>It is a losing battle when people want a carnival atmosphere here<<

Some people. Most people do not care.

And Management relies on those "some" to "prove" their point. Meanwhile, the real point is to show that this is a happening place and that prospective renters will want to move here and pay those now high prices for an apartment.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Wanted: Residents like this--

>>We ❤️❤️❤️ the movies and usually head down with kids and picnic to the lawn near the screen but we sit on benches around oval for events without screen so we can bring the dogs. Are we allowed to bring own food for the oval cafe musicians? I like the idea but haven’t been down because they usually enforce no outside food policy - if it’s billed as community event we should be able to take our own.<<

I have an idea: Why not make this place totally public so that ALL the people in New York can come here. And bring their kids. And food!

Party time!!!

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Beer, alcohol and certain fun drugs are not taboo, too! And, please, get rid of those cranks around the Oval who want peace and quiet. Want century are they living in?

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Friends, and there you have the destruction of the community, whatever remains of it. I, ME, MINE.

Anonymous said...

And the funny thing is that these entertainments that management is promoting are crap. Movies that have been on TV twenty times and the same hokey Beatles music I heard three years ago. They consider this an entertainment amenity!

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Some people, and Management seems to be included, consider these "events" awesome. They do not realize how low-class these events are and meant just for the plebs.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

I don't think this a joke, but the post at the TA Facebook certainly seems like it:

>>The movies have been PACKED and awesome! We love the community building of it. Been here only 13 years but with the more transient nature of the complex now we love it<<

Stuy Town Reporter said...

I guess my photo of last week's movie "event" was worthless. Not many people attended, of course. What are photos anyway. Packed, the place was. Take my word for it.

Edmund Dunn said...


Re last night’s concert, I was there. The 300# is a lie. The # was around 120, tops, and that included children. Also, SPS has lied to us, they said that the volume of these concerts would not be intrusive but they have double downed and made them loud again. Also, no ID’s were checked, therefore this is a commercial event, in violation of the NYC zoning law which classifies the interior of ST as R7-2, a residential zone. On my own, I have left the TA FB page. I will communicate going forward via this blog and the STPC Tenants (not TA) FB page. As I have said before to the cheerleaders, please give me your apartment number and address so that I may come by and blast my choice in music and movies directly at your front door with an 80’s style boom box. I have forwarded 2 photos plus a vid of last night’s concert to the STR, here’s hoping that he will post.


As has been posted, please, respond to quietenjoymentnow@gmail.com
We also need people at this blog to start to use their real names.


Thanks everyone.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Thanks, Edmund:

I just saw the video and the photos. Astounding (truly) that anyone would think that there are 300 people there or that the place was "packed."

Know too, that there are people on the grass and certainly on the benches..well, because they want to enjoy the Oval for what it is. They are NOT there for the music or the films. You can find me sometimes at the Oval, too. It's nice to read or just sit there taking in the weather, if the weather is nice. If there is music or a film, I'm chased away, as I am looking for peace and quiet, mainly.

I will try to post the above later. I have to go someplace and will be back nighttime.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Sorry, but it still gets to me that some cheerleaders are blatantly lying. Blatantly. Photos and videos do not lie, unless a landlord tweaks them to make the property look good, as I've already proven.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

BTW, the cheerleaders are out in full force. Management must be pleased. Don't forget, if you look, you will find. So the advice, I guess, is not to look!

Anonymous said...

"The cheerleaders" get paid to post those messages!

Anonymous said...

""The cheerleaders" get paid to post those messages!"

I can't stand them as much as anyone but what proof do you offer for this serious charge?

Stuy Town Reporter said...

I'm back...and chased away from the Oval. Thank you, Rick.

The "music" at Five Stuy Cafe was pretty loud. I believe it was speaker spread out so that everyone could hear it, no matter where they sat at the Oval. I was returning from "the city" and stopped by Associated to pick up some food. Usually, afterward, I sit at one of the Oval benches and relax for a few moments. Couldn't do it. The "music" ("Piano Man") was heard even on the other side of the Oval.

Thank you again, Rick.

This confirms that my intention of upping my, eh... Well, you will see. Nice and legal, too.

Again, thank you, Rick, for making my decision clearer.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

And, please, anyone from higher up in Management, I will try to pass you by so neither of us meet. If I have to, I will be pleasant. But I really don't want to see you and hear BS again. I'm through.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>"The cheerleaders" get paid to post those messages!<<

I also don't think anyone gets paid, except by a thanks from Management.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

BTW, seen with my own eyes as I was heading to my apartment after being chased away from the Oval. A guy with a clearly visible extended leash, and real long, too, ignored by a PS guard. Ignored. Why not? Give him a raise, he is doing his job.

Anonymous said...

I am nauseated by the disgusting cheerleader comments on the TA blog. They are actually trying to meet neighbors, select movies and call these events community get togethers. I just cannot take it anymore

Anonymous said...

I refuse to vote for any of these incumbents including Epstein, Hoylmab and Powers if they don’t take action against These events and other QOL issues. Hoylman and Kavanagh did not get my votes the last time they ran.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately these comments are for real. Hayduk has his own little cheerleading squad until they are priced out of their apartments. Paying over 4 grand and cannot afford to take their kids to real events

Anonymous said...

I too took photos of the sparsely attended events. This does not do any good. The cheerleaders and Hayduk will keep distorting the truth. The only thing I can do is not vote for any politician who does not stand up against this pig sty carnival. It seems to be a losing battle. Will call Epstein’s office this week.

Anonymous said...

They are truly second rate. You can see these movies on your TV, they have been shown over and over. And as for the crappy concerts, I must have heard that Beatles medley twenty times. At least change the music. Pure garbage

Anonymous said...

The only people who attend these events are the losers who don't have any kind of life and have to have everything laid on for them, even if it is second rate and crappy. Don't know what kind of people they are, but I know longtime tenants who are in their 80s and 90s who cringe at the thought of attending these events. They have season tickets to the venues at Lincoln Center. The losers who attend these lame concerts and movies probably have never heard of Lincoln Center or any of the other meccas of enjoyable entertainment in this dynamic city. They bring their kids (who don't give a shit about what is going on in the Oval) because they are too busy/lazy/ to do otherwise. It's just an excuse to ignore the kids and drink box wine and pretend they are at a real "event."

Anonymous said...

I agree 11:04.

My kid does not attend these piece of shit events. He attends shows on broadway; sees concerts at Carnegie Hall, MSG; goes to museums.

If you take your kids to these events for pure convenience, you are lazy. If you can’t afford events at those other places, you shouldn’t be paying $5k to live here. Pay $3k and save the $2k a month to attend events in this great city and go on great vacations.

These are the same parents who will complain when little Billy doesn’t get into a top HS because the competition attended events at Lincoln Center and little Billy was attending concerts in the oval.

Anonymous said...

Hayduk desperately needs the cheerleader squad because once the truth comes out about his true character and bad acts all the PR from the Tenant Association and their DEBLASIO secret agent PR firm won't be able to make Hayduk look like anything other than what he truly is.

Anonymous said...

And most of those people who attend those oval events have a better than everyone else attitude. I laugh as I watch them head to these joke events and I leave the property to attend cultural events in the culture event capital of the world.

Blackstone Sucks said...

PIG STUY TOWN.
I rest my case.

STAND UP AND FIGHT said...

THIS IS FROM STAND UP AND FIGHT:

Thank you. I'm reading more and more intelligent, lucid commentary on the situation here. It is heartening to know that there are so many truly thoughtful people here.

Some of us are well informed about some of the myriad illegalities perpetrated by the "landlords."

Powers and Epstein need to hear from more of us, repeatedly and frequently. So do Gail Brewer, Chuck Schumer, Carolyn Maloney, and other politicians. Yes, I know - sell-outs, corrupt, money/power hungry and allied with the Real Estate Board of New York, metaphorically sleeping with each other.

But, hey - ya' never know, do ya?

Even Donald Trump. Why not? Who knows who or what might do the right, moral, legal, and even righteous thing for a change?

I suggest that we look into our own legal action at this point, IN ADDITION to contacting our "elected officials" as someone put it. And, as I've written before, there are plenty of other independent actions we can take.

SO, PLEASE WRITE TO ME (IN CONFIDENCE, I PROMISE) AT THE ADDRESS BELOW AND LET'S PUT ON OUR OWN SHOWS OF STRENGTH AND POWER):

quietenjoymentnow@gmail.com

STAND UP AND FIGHT

Anonymous said...

Do you allow any opposing views here? Don’t want to waste my time crafting a post that won’t get posted. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I agree . These cheerleaders are paying 4 grand for apartments and can’t afford real movies and cultural events for their Kids?

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>Do you allow any opposing views here?<<

Certainly.

Anonymous said...

Of course STR allows opposing views, but beware, you better come at him with opposing facts and not just opposing opinions. He spends a lot of time researching and including photographic evidence of the wrongdoings around this property and neighborhood.

Go back and read his hundreds of posts to see the full picture he has painted of this place. You don’t need to waste your time with the comments, just STR’s actual stories. Then if you feel you need to express your opposing view, do so.

Anonymous said...

Today there is a box full of move trash in front of 4 Oval. They dump their nasty garbage anywhere and get away with it. Dirtier and nastier this sty gets.

Stand Up and Fight said...

"Dirtier and nastier."

Yes. So why are we simply complaining and not defending our homes? Hell, every other animal defends its home. Why don't we???

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately there is not much we can do. Some of us have contacted and met with our councilman. So far that has not borne any results .

Stuy Town Reporter said...

My comments is: Keep it up. Remember, the "other side" gets paid to do what they do; they get a check, we don't.

If we become quiet, then the other side wins by default. They could win, regardless, but we won't be a party to that.

Anonymous said...

Remember when no dogs were allowed here? Once they came the place started to deteriorate accordingly. Barking through the thin walls, dog owners "walking" their dogs while their owners ignored them,at all hours, under apt. windows, running without their leashes on the fenced off areas and the playgrounds, even on the oval,
dogs attacking other dogs and most recently two women walking towards the oval (why haven't we heard about this?),tenants at each others throats over the disgusting habits of their dogs, including shi...ng., all over the grounds and not picking up after them, and attracting this type of tenant who thinks they're so special and nothing applies to them. It goes on and on.

Thank you TS for starting the ball rolling on decimating this community.
And for all others who carried on the continual destruction until it really is only a place for transients, students, AirB&B'ers.

The stress and lack of sleep impacts too greatly. Time to leave before they carry you out in a box. BTW: will Blackstone pay for the funeral?