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Management has two priorities: 1) Making sure money is made, hence upgrading and filling up apartments is their goal. "Amenities" are important in selling the place, though few residents use them. 2) If someone needs medical attention, Public Safety will be there, if alerted.

Quality of life issues are not that important, however. Things like the carpet rule or outsider dogs. These "rules" tend to be ignored, on purpose it seems. So you will see a lot that isn't taken care of properly, and complaints will be met with a creative excuse and a smile.

"Peace and quiet" must be a cruel joke, though this property is sold that way. There can be no peace and quiet as ALL apartments must be upgraded, which includes the installation of an AC unit below the window. Aside from the continual construction about the neighborhood, there is a new and noisy subway extension being built along East 14 st and the shut down of the L line. "Choosing" to live in NYC, now the newest mantra, is a fabrication when the talk is of ST and PCV, which was traditionally quiet, with no construction noise.

Though money was always important, it is now more important than ever. Money rules many things, as you will find.

At this point, 30 years into living here and seeing many things, I can state that Management and their reps are BS-ing us. I can't say that loudly enough: We are being BS-ed. I don't see any genuine change, though the "selling" of this place is intense. Few of the "rules" will be enforced, as Management doesn't want to lose customers or potential customers. Where personal integrity is a hallmark of an excellent management style, this integrity is not seen in enforcing some of the rules.

Our Tenants Association is, basically, null and void. Oh, it is still around, but it lacks the will power to confront much of anything. The TA will ask for your dues, however. By now, the TA is a charade.

About those "club cars" we see going this way and that way, and outside of Stuy Town or Peter Cooper Village:

Sunday, March 30, 2014

Pack of Dogs Being Walked Casually Around Stuy Town

I wish I had my camera with me this morning. What happened just goes to show how effective are those 1,200 HD security cameras and their human monitors....

I'm going along the back "M" area of the 20th Street ST buildings, on my way to Lenz's. Coming up toward me is an unbelievable, eye-glazing sight. A guy is walking a pack of dogs (five or six), two of which, at least, are banned dogs here in Stuy Town: a pit-bull and a German shepherd. We pass each other by, with me being very careful not to make any sudden movements and wondering if I should go back to the apartment to pick up my camera. I've seen banned dogs in Stuy Town before (and with a frequency that is dismaying), but this is the first time I see them in a pack. I decide against retrieving my camera, as I have other things to do.

With my Lenz's coffee in hand, I go to the Oval. It's not raining anymore, and there's a freshness in the air that is transfixing. I figure this dog walker is just traversing the back area of Stuy Town and will soon be out. Of course, any number of those 1,200 HD cameras would have seen him, and his pack of dogs, very easily. That is if someone were watching and attentive, and if there are no-nonsense rules of engagement with banned breeds in the complex.

So, I'm at the Oval--and then the guy and his pack of dogs turn up! Taking a walk around the Oval!

I now really regret not having my camera with me, but it still will be interesting, I say to myself, to see what happens, and if he will be stopped by Public Safety. A Public Safety vehicle approaches him and his dogs...and passes by.  He takes a full tour of the Oval, passing by the brand new hi-tech Public Safety office. Nothing. He starts a new tour of the Oval. Residents are turning their heads, curious as to why this guy and his pack of dogs are strolling so casually about the Oval walkway. And you can see the stifled alarm in the faces of resident dog-walkers who are taking their little pooches for a walk. No contest if there is a dog fight.

The guy now passes the small security booth, which before was empty, but toward which are walking TWO Public Safety "officers," looking more like schlubs and not the usual crew we are familiar with. The guy and his dogs pass by these "officers"--and not a word from these PS personnel.

So, the 2nd tour of the Oval proceeds. The guy and his dogs are, once again, heading past the new Public Safety office. But now there is an officer out in front, and finally, finally, the officer confronts the dog walker.

Why wasn't this guy and his pack of dogs stopped before? Why was he allowed to stroll about the back ways of Stuy Town and then around the Oval in front of various Public Safety officers with impunity?

A thank you to the officer who finally did stop him.


Anonymous said...

Way to go Public Safety!

MCI dollars well spent.

Anonymous said...

The answer is simple, they're just not too overly concerned. End of story. Nothing will change until a pit bull bites a child.

Anonymous said...

Another perspective on breeds. Before anyone yells at me my comment is not about the PCVST ban. It is information about dogs and how they once babysat toddlers.

May 23, 2013

19 vintage photos of pit bulls portrayed as nanny dogs

For generations, the nickname of the pit bull was "Nanny Dog." If you had children, and wanted a dependable babysitter who was also a protector, you got a pit bull.

The breed was known as being the most reliable around both children and adults. The only thing that has changed over the years is some people's perception of the pit bull breed

Today, the pit bull is the most likely breed to be shot by police. It is also thought of to be the most dangerous. Before that it was the Rottweiller, and before that, the Doberman and the German Shepherd.

Anonymous said...

MCI dollars well spent is not determined by anyone one act but by ongoing quarterly assessments of all public safety acts and results. Let's not get cheap with handing out accolades when there are serious matters on the table in our community.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>Nothing will change until a pit bull bites a child.<<

I fear it will be more than a bite, however.

Anonymous said...

The rest of the article.

"Here are some vintage pit bull photos with their children. As you can see, these dogs are very loving."

Humans abuse their loyalty when training them to do harm. Much like German Shephard police dogs who are trained to attack on command. Rottweiller are security dogs of choice because of the security they give in their loyalty to human owners.

Anonymous said...

The NYC Health Code require that all animal bites be reported to 311 or the Department of Health. If you're in immediate danger, call 911.

From 311 site:
"The City accepts reports of an animal biting a person. The New York City Health Code requires that all such animal bites, including bites from dogs, be reported.

"The City coordinates follow up with the animal, its owner, and the person who was bitten to make sure that no further threat exists.

"All personal information that you submit with be held in strict confidence."

Where you can report a bite:

More info:

Anonymous said...

Many died too soon. A few are still alive. Many are German Shephards, dobermans, Labradors, etc. Here are 50 dogs who did not care abut breathing in asbestos while they sniffed for our loved ones.

How can we not honor dogs and treat them better. Look at what they do for us. Google 9/11 dogs. How can we forget so easily?

Yes I lost someone dear on 9/11. but is that necessary to open our minds and hearts to these loyal souls?

Anonymous said...

What did the guard do when he spoke to the dog walker? What was the net outcome?

Anonymous said...

The way it was: No dogs allowed. Easy to spot someone with a dog & for security to harass them. (In fact, in over 30 yrs here, when no dogs were allowed, I never once saw anyone walk a dog in the complex.)

Now: You see a dog. Going to check everyone to see if it's tagged? No. And what if the dog is a pit bull? Or the dog is over-sized? Or the dog owner isn't cleaning up? Or the dog owner lifts the dog over a fence & it goes? Or goes in areas little kids like to play? So what? What is security going to do that will change things? Nothing! The dog rules are unenforceable. Period!

Anonymous said...

So did the guy with the dogs leave? Did the responding officer make sure he left the property? Was the guy tracked on the security cameras? STR, I realize you don't have the answers to these questions, but I wonder what PS's protocol is for dealing with these situations. Just talk to the person and that's that? To me that isn't adequate enforcement.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

I wasn't that close to see the outcome. The officer talked to the dog-walker for more than a few seconds. And, afterward, I didn't see the dog-walker with his pack of dogs. I assume he exited the complex, probably toward the Ave B or C side.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>How can we not honor dogs and treat them better. Look at what they do for us. Google 9/11 dogs. How can we forget so easily?<<

I've received a few similar posts from the same individual. I'm not letting the rest through because the messages are redundant and because then we'd get into a big flame-war about banned breeds in Stuy Town. Yes, banned breeds have a history of being faithful and useful (as in 9/11), etc, but the policy here in Stuy Town and Peter Cooper Village is against their presence. And a lot of people, dog-walkers included, tense up with, say, a pit-bull around. And this is not just a mistaken trepidation on the part of people concerning pit-bulls. Just google how many incidents of pit-bull attacks throughout the country there are and the severity of the attacks, which sometimes go so far as horrible life-time disfigurement and even death. No way should bit-bulls be allowed in PCVST. And, yes, I realize that dog-training is crucial, but if you see a pit-bull, you don't know how it has been trained.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

>>Now: You see a dog. Going to check everyone to see if it's tagged? No. And what if the dog is a pit bull? Or the dog is over-sized? Or the dog owner isn't cleaning up? Or the dog owner lifts the dog over a fence & it goes? Or goes in areas little kids like to play? So what? What is security going to do that will change things? Nothing! The dog rules are unenforceable. Period!<<

It should be easy to spot banned dogs, as long as ALL Public Safety officers are instructed and shown how they look, via photos. There also has to be an enforcement policy that doesn't back down or look the other way. I once alerted a Public Safety officer to a woman coming in from beyond 1st Ave, who walked her two banned dogs straight into Peter Cooper, and then I watched a distance away while he talked to her, probably got her phone number (she was relatively attractive) and let her proceed through the complex!!!

My impression is that some of these PS officers don't give a damn. I also suspect there's not that much push from the higher-ups for enforcement of the dog policy.

Anonymous said...

1.The security cameras ARE NOT HD. 2. Their is only 2-3 officers in the office that monitor the cameras and have too answer phones and log in calls. Impossible to scroll and watch 1200 cameras and catch everything. 3. Dog policy is BS cause management has given tags to "banned dogs" 4 . Public Safety doesn't really care anymore since Compass Rock screwed them and took away sick/personal and cut down vacation days. Just deal with it people. Dogs are every where. They're not going anywhere.

Anonymous said...

I don't think this is about hating on any particular breed; I think it is about someone walking multiple dogs (STR didn't say what breed they are) which can be very intimidating to other people walking through the property, with or without pooches in tow.

It is high time that management and PS started enforcing their own rules concerning number of dogs someone is allowed to have, breed and size. I love great big lolloping dogs and think they are often more calm and schmoozy than the yappy little guys, but I would hate a 100lb plus sized rottweiler or german shepard (or even a labrador) charging at me, even if it was just being friendly! I hope and pray that no one ever gets hurt as a result of the management's and PS's uncaring attitude. If someone does get hurt, it will most likely be an elderly person or a child and both are horrible scenarios.

Anonymous said...

STR, could this have been a dog walker or do you think all the dogs belonged to the guy who was walking them? Were they big dogs?

Stuy Town Reporter said...

I have no way of knowing if this guy was a dog walker. The dogs were fairly big, as big as German Shepherds and pit-bulls. I believe there was a slightly smaller dog in the pack. Not all the dogs were of the banned variety, but then again, I'm not an expert on all dogs, but I know pits and German Shepherds when I see them.

Anonymous said...

"The security cameras ARE NOT HD. 2. Their is only 2-3 officers in the office that monitor the cameras and have too answer phones and log in calls. Impossible to scroll and watch 1200 cameras and catch everything."

If that is the case, then why are we being charged an MCI? This is such a rip-off of tenants.

Anonymous said...

Good point 5:59p.

Are you reading this Dan?

Anonymous said...

This goes on because CW, the PCV/ST Mgt team and Public Safety DO NOT CARE.... And to boot they collectively and individually have no moral center or sense any of professionalism.

They should all be embarrassed to "work" or better stated draw a salary by exploiting folks that are stuck here and cannot afford to move!

Shame on all of them and to the politicians, so called community leaders and the impotent tenant association.

Anonymous said...

"Shame on all of them and to the politicians, so called community leaders and the impotent tenant association."

Shame on all the people who comment from the safety of their computer but don't say or do anything when they see something. At least phone PS if you don't want to confront someone. Keep calling every time you see something. Too much work? Then don't expect others to do it for you. We all have to take responsibility and make it clear to offenders that their behavior is not acceptable. Make things as unpleasant for them as they're making it for the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

Management treats Public Safety like shit. That's why majority don't care. They're getting screwed so why follow management's nonsense if all management does break their balls. Management doesn't even want Public safety here. They rather have nypd answer all your complaints.

Tommyboyardee said...

Does the recently moved/created Oval Concierge now offer dog walking services?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone ON THE BOARD or the property know who confirms the rent increase calculations after a renovations?

Anonymous said...

I would be DELIGHTED if the NYPD responded to the legitimate noise complaints that so many of us have here, but they don't because we have public safety. That REALLY pisses me off because I pay taxes just like everyone else and should be entitled to have the NYPD respond when necessary, just like they respond to tenants living elsewhere in NYC. Time for that change.

Anonymous said...

Wishful thinking. Think about this. You call PS. Maybe it takes them 10-25 to respond maybe little longer. NYPD will show up 2-4 hours if you're lucky depending how they get the call.

Anonymous said...

I've seen the same guy or few guys around with pitbulls or packs. I think he's part of a training group. They hand out postcards sometimes.

Once one of their pitbulls started barking and lunging at my dog - then the dogwalker turned the dog and they literally followed behind us to help wean his dog off my dog. WTF.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Sounds like the same guy I saw.

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Nice to know they are using Stuy Town as their training ground.

Anonymous said...

6 :22 am brings up a great post.

HAS ANY OF THE DEPT OF HOUSING confirmed the renovations reflecting the correct amount of those rents?


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Anonymous said...

I saw this guy too. He is a resident of Peter Cooper and he boards multiple dogs in his apartment there, including pitbulls, rottweilers... Just check out his Facebook page where he posts pictures of 4-5 dogs cramped in his apartment.

This must be ground for eviction!

Stuy Town Reporter said...

Wow! This guy even has a treadmill for dogs in his apartment which must create noise when he turns it on. And all those dogs have to be barking! Pity the neighbors.